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submissive

Super Princess

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So..this is new...

We go out at lot...spend a lot of time at beaches and in parks and trails.
Our favorite beach..farther down is dog friendly. its no where near cars..and is safe. so i let her off leash.
shes always been more of a people dog then a dog dog, but wil usually go say hello to a dog..and always to people. she thrives off their attention.

The last two days ive taken her to the beach..shes acted extreemly submissive towards other dogs. tail between the legs...crouches in a weird positions.

today it was to a teeny tiny yorkie dog.

Shes not been attacked or hurt in anyway by any dogs...what would bring this on? should i be concerned?
 
Maggie is a nut and I think she just wants to keep you on your toes.:wggle: Does she warm up after a bit with a new dog? I wouldn't spend much time worring about it. I know you take her out and she is socialized nicely. Just keep meeting new friends and see how she does.
 
ahha she is a nut for sure.
im not too worried..i just think its interesting...like its only been this last weekend.and 3 different people commented on it. "shes so submissive" the 3rd time was with the yorkie..it looked HALLARIOUS..i mean this tiny little dog..shes crouching to the ground..bending down int his weird position.
funnny pup i tell ya.
it depends on the dogs i guess if we (me and owner) are talking a bunch..shell usually loose interest in the dog. she really dosnt care for them all that much. a greeting yes..but shes all abot the people.
..yeserday there were two cockers running around like mad. she tried to join in they just ignored her.

with her new hair cut (which i absolutly love now) everyone thinks shes a cocker. this is the first time no ones known exactly what she is!!
oliver used to get 'baby st bernard' when he got his hair cut short.
 
our cavalier 20 lbs is submissive to our 6 lb toy poodle. i think its more about attitude than size. sometimes the little ones act like they are 100 lb predators. Its whoever is the most aggressive and who is willing to give up their position as pack leader.
 
Are you sure she is being submissive?

Our Golden mix will often get low to the ground and make herself look smaller when she wants to engage a smaller dog to play or to even greet. I think she feels she is a lot less intimidating and they would be more open to the idea. If Maggie were being truly submissive she would have her tail tucked between her legs and then would lay down and show her belly.
 
Are you sure she is being submissive?

Our Golden mix will often get low to the ground and make herself look smaller when she wants to engage a smaller dog to play or to even greet. I think she feels she is a lot less intimidating and they would be more open to the idea. If Maggie were being truly submissive she would have her tail tucked between her legs and then would lay down and show her belly.


I agree agree with wolf. Maggie May be making herself "smaller" to show that she is no threat. We meet a coon hound on our walks who gets down to Bosco's level to let him know not to be afraid. It's the sweetest thing. Bet Maggie was trying to assure the Yorkie that there's nothing to be afraid of!

give your Golden a hug from me wolf! He/she is a very special and kind dog!

joan
 
yup definitly has her tail between her legs, all hunkerd down in a weird position. not really on her back/showing belly but...oh i cant describe it. its not a natural posture thats for sure. head is low too.
Sure its not a big deal..just weird for her. shes never been like that before.
Maybe submissive and making herself smaller? i dont know?Its not just with the little ones but larger ones too. and i THINK only with the dogs we havnt yet met.
we've seen a labradoodle named lucas there several times now..i love him. she dosnt do that around him..but dosnt pay much attention to him either...
(really makes me feel less guilty that i can not get a second dog at the time) hahaha.
 
Hard to say without knowing more. Some dogs are just shyer but a well socialised dog that remains well socialised generally wouldn't start to become fearful. How often is she meeting other dogs? Daily? Weekly? Every couple of weeks?

Socialisation is really important for dogs -- they need to regularly meet other friendly dogs (ideally, daily, on every walk). If they only meet a few now and then, or a few of the same dogs frequently, they can increasingly become more and more poorly socialised. In other words, good socialisation and comfort around other dogs isn't something they learn as puppies and then never forget. Dogs need regular, weekly, positive dog experiences. :) Otherwise a dog can become indeed become more and more withdrawn, either more fearful or sometimes, more dog reactive and fear aggressive over time.

If she isn't, I'd recommend making sure she does see dogs regularly -- it is quite an isolated life for a dog to be mostly a people dog and not have the chance to interact normally and regularly with a wide range of dogs (note they can become reactive or increasingly shy if only seeing the same dogs all the time too). They need people and dog interaction to remain normal and healthy mentally and behaviour-wise.

A real problem for adult dogs is that many owners stop getting them out regularly enough and they do become more withdrawn. Over time this can lead to some serious behaviour issues and really, at best, means a lower quality of life for the dog and the owner who suddenly finds they cannot go near other dogs due to their own dog's growing leash aggression or fear. This takes away so much of the joy of having a dog. Speaking as someone with a very leash reactive rescue dog that arrived that way, I can say it is very hard to train away from (as opposed to making the daily/weekly effort to keep a dog well socialised on fun active, dog-filled walks! :D ) and also means that dog is a constant headache on walks and annoys other people.

On the flip side, some dogs grow into insecure adults for many reasons. Have you done a group training class with her? This is to my mind the single most important thing anyone will EVER do with their dog and is really critical because the dog learns confidence in interactions with both people and dogs and also to carry on doing things with distractions. Home training cannot duplicate this experience in any way at all.

For a dog like this, even if she has done a basic class, I'd be enrolling her for another (positive methods) obedience class or other interactive class (eg like agility if she is over a year now, or nose work, etc). She definitely would benefit and also you could get professional advice. I always recommend looking for a CPDT or APDT-certified trainer class so that the trainers actually have meaningful education behind how they train. (y)

I'm off to a class tonight myself with my pyrenean girl Muffin -- even though she had some home training I could instantly see the benefit of having to start from scratch around a busy classroom! Over an hour she learned to stop focusing on the other dogs and people and instead work more closely with me. That has led to much-improved walks in the week after. :)
 
Alright...gave her another week and took her back to the beach twice.
Most of the time she was just fine.
i think there was once she got down..acted submissive (tail between the legs) this was with a bigger dog.

Socialization is defenitly not the issue. we're at the beach and parks every weekend. And the beach is packed with dogs.
We sometimes see dogs on our walks but not so often now that its winter and dark. we do get out every night though. Our rout has changed as i was walking through the bog and forest trails...i wont do that in the dark :D
but again beaches and parks every weekend where theres lots of dogs.
she dosn't care too much for the dogs..as long as she gets attention from the people. she thrives on attention from strangers. lol.
but she will run up and say hi to some dogs..usually it dosnt last long though.

I trained her myself with the basic commands.. and she dose pretty good. I know theres lots of awesome classes we could go to, however moneys a bit tight these days and its not a top priority for us. I took her to some classes when she was young..at the time it wasnt for us. not sure how it'd be now.. but again just not a priority :)
 
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