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edel
7th December 2005, 03:23 PM
I took Lady for a walk last night on her puppia harness and lead. all of a sudden the clasp on the lead gave way and she darted off down the road. icon_yikes

I tried running after her but she only ran even more. I just kneeled down on the ground and called her to me willing her to come back. I should mention that our walk is next to a busy road and it would have been very easy for her to run out in front of the traffic. :shock:

Needless to say i am very upset that this happened, it put my girl in danger. :x icon_furious

Does anyone know what recourse i am entitled to? What would you do?

Claire
7th December 2005, 03:35 PM
Please note....My mum found on a website the other day not to let Cavliers wear harnesses due to their bone structure, I have asked her to try and find it and will post, please be careful...

Jen
7th December 2005, 08:57 PM
Yes, please let us know when you find this information. Thanks! :)

rory
7th December 2005, 09:17 PM
Did the leash let go or the harness? I have had this problem with different kinds of leashes before. It certainlyl is scary! I think you should let Puppia know. Perhaps they have had others have this problem? I've just been using my old leather leash on Rory's harness, without problem, so can't offer up any experience there. So sorry you had a scare!! :shock: Glad your little girl is OK!. ;)

Nicki
7th December 2005, 10:12 PM
Sorry to hear about this nasty scare Edel - thank goodness your little one has a good recall. You did the right thing dropping to the ground - makes them wonder what you are looking at!

Also chasing them makes them think it's a game...

I would suggest you contact Puppia - this is very worrying.

With regard to harnesses and bone structure, there is a piece about harnesses in the November pet pages on the UK cavalier club site -http://www.thecavalierclub.co.uk/start.html
Cavaliers as pets, previous issues.

Basically though they are most concerned with ruining the dogs' movement for the show ring, if they pull in a harness.

Personally I feel that there is more risk of damaging their neck - especially with extending leads, and particularly with the high incidence of Syringomyelia, so I would always recommend a harness - and teach the dog not to pull.

Karlin
8th December 2005, 12:43 AM
I think this is nonsense, as surely vets will agree. How could a pulling dog possibly deform its movement simply by pulling against what is essentially a soft chest brace (as opposed to throttling itself by pulling hard on a collar, which CAN cause tracheal damage?)? Esepcially only during the time it is taken for walks? I have found that many show people are SURE all dogs, when put in a harness, pull and are untrainable. I think this is because few of them use harnesses and are very prejudiced against them and see them as not 'serious' enough -- but many who DO have also posted to lists on this issue before and say they always send their new puppies to new owners with harnesses. My own vets strongly recommend them for any small breed and the first time I brought Jaspar in, one noted with approval that he was on a harness. They feel this is much safer for all breeds of small dogs on walks than a collar for a range of reasons.

Where this pets column is right is in saying, take an obedience class so that your dog learns to walk politely and not pull. Whether this is done with the dog in collar or harness makes ABSOLUTELY no difference to the training, as my dog trainer and certified behaviouralist friends Lisa and Tara of Dog Training Ireland, who are on this board, have said to me before.

There's a much more pressing reason for cavaliers to wear harnesses and not collars for walks and that is becauser it is recommended by neurologists as a safety measure not to potentially aggravate a dog that may have syringomyelia, as noted above. If your dog still pulls -- then enroll in a good obedience class, and one where they will allow you to train in a harness. :)

Edel I can't guess why the lead clasp didn't work. I do know that soemtimes on any lead it is easy to not get it fully on the ring (on harness or collar) so that it is not firmly shut and maybe this happened in your case. I have two Puppia leads, each with a different style of clasp, and both are very sturdy and solid -- actually I prefer them to my other leads. Does the clasp look broken to you or not work properly when you examine it? If so, I'd return it, certainly. If it looks fine, then it may well be the case that it wasn't on fully. I am not sure how a clasp could open up unless it was totally broken or unless the little bit you push to open didn't then shut all the way -- with a brand new lead it could be a bit stiff til opened and closed a few times perhaps. Mine get sticky in cold weather if they've gotten damp.

Once, before I was using a harness all the time and Jaspar was about 6 months old, I clipped the lead accidentally to Jaspar's name tags and not his actual collar ring. The nametags were on a lightweight ring that expanded when he was pulling to go toward a fence at the park -- and he got off and disappeared into the park in the dark, with heavy traffic on the road behind. I was totally paralysed with fear. He eventually came back safely but ever since then, I check twice to make sure I have the lead safely clipped to the ring, as it is really easy to get it not quite right if you do it quickly.

Fi
8th December 2005, 06:42 PM
I think it is infurating to read you cant use a chock chain because of...... then you shouldnt use a harness because of..... i think i personally am going to take teh same view i do about people telling me what food i should or should not eat, and i eat what i want!!!!

so i have the harness now, and going to stick to it.

edel
9th December 2005, 01:16 PM
I agree - harness is definately the way to go.

Anyway I emailed my puppia supplier and she said this never happened before (thats what she would say) and to send back the broken lead for a replacement. Only problem is im sure I trust these leads anymore. What if it happened again, it would be my fault for using it again.

Claire
9th December 2005, 01:29 PM
I am ordering two harnesses for my guys, I have just spoken to my Vets and they said that they are fine to use, probably better then them pulling on their throats... just remember to check that collar is still on with the tag, check the lead is on correct ring, make sure does not rub, and to check once in a well if stitching, etc. is okay.

joanna
12th December 2005, 08:31 AM
I got a puppia harness in Petstop on Saturday and I can't believe how much better it is. I hated having to pull Daisy Boo on the collar (sometimes she can be a bit stubborn when she's sniffing) but it seems she's much happier on the harness and she's trotting along proudly! I am much happier to walk her on the harness and doubt I'll ever go back to the collar and lead.

Forest
12th December 2005, 11:38 AM
My girls both wear a harness. When Lottie was a puppy she wouldn't walk with the lead at all- sure appeared to be scared of it. But now they love their harness and bark wildly as soon as they see them. I don't think that we get the Puppia ones out here. The ones my girls wear are the ones that are also approved to be used with the seat belt in the car as I always make sure that they have them on whenever they travel in the car and they settle down really well. My vet has never said anything about them wearing their harness. Julie and the girls :)

chlovey
15th December 2005, 06:17 PM
both Harvey and Chloe have the puppia harness and i have never had a problem with them i trust them more than a collar and lead and my two seam to stuggle on collars and leads and once Harvey struggled to the point the collar came off him (luckily we was in a quiet area ) i have also read about people saying there dogs have slipped out of their puppia harness,s..... if you measure your dog correctly and order the right size and ajust it to a comfy not tight or loose size you should all be fine......my two are sticking with their puppias they are 100% angels on them and i have never had any problems

sramirez
15th December 2005, 06:49 PM
I'm wanting to order two puppia harnesses - one of my cavs weighs around 18 lbs. the other is at 27 lbs. (yes, she knows she is quite overwgt and we are working on that problem, but hey, it's the holidays :roll: ). What szs. do any of you think I should order for both girls?

Thanx.

Sheri R.
Nebraska- USA

Fi
16th December 2005, 08:30 AM
I dont know what to advise you, as i ordered 2 medium for my 2 and a small for Lady to grow into!

the medium fits Max fine but even at its largest wouldnt fit around cloe, so had ot send it back to get a large, it fits fine.

mind you if she looses weight im in trouble!! she doesnt need to loose weight, i was contemplating buying anohter one for just in case and in a different colour!!!!

chlovey
16th December 2005, 01:52 PM
sramirez i,d say the smallest cav should need a medium puppia and the bigger one the large....dont quote me 100% but thats what i would order if mine was that size....my two are in mediums and i am thinking that they will be medium even when fully grown...hope this helps xx

edited to say i have just read that the medium fits a dog upto 18 lbs so 2 large you need xx

rory
16th December 2005, 07:19 PM
Rory is 17.5 lbs and mediuum fits him perfectly.... Touugh call on the 18lb one. I might get a medium for him and a large for the girl. :D

sramirez
16th December 2005, 08:00 PM
Thanx for the information on sz. ordering for the puppia harnesses. Sasha has lost a few pounds, so a medium might fit her good. Sophie has no interest in losing weight (guess she takes after me!) so a large would be a good fit for her. Maybe she'll like to walk better with a new harness, instead of focusing on the snow & cold!

Sheri R.
Nebraska-USA

cleopatra
24th December 2005, 11:40 PM
i ordered a little coat for jasmine from ebay and its a beautiful coat, but a little bit big for her, anyway when me and mum tried it on her yesterday, we didnt realize that we had tucked all her feet into it as well and when we set her down on the ground she just fell right over, the poor girl had no legs to stand on...we nearly fell off the chair laughing, and when we tried to put it on her again she wriggles out of it because she just doesnt understand what it is, but hopefully she will soon... :lol:

Cathy T
26th December 2005, 04:19 PM
i ordered a little coat for jasmine from ebay and its a beautiful coat, but a little bit big for her, anyway when me and mum tried it on her yesterday, we didnt realize that we had tucked all her feet into it as well and when we set her down on the ground she just fell right over, the poor girl had no legs to stand on...we nearly fell off the chair laughing, and when we tried to put it on her again she wriggles out of it because she just doesnt understand what it is, but hopefully she will soon... :lol:

That's too funny!!!