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Episodic falling syndrome and seizures

anniemac

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Can someone explain what the difference is or is EFS a type of seizure? I was watching a video of a cavalier on a FB group and she would run her head and then lay on her side. I think the owner said she has seizures. I googled some videos and to me this seems seizure related. Very sad :( but I am glad there is now a DNA test available.

http://youtu.be/LTuKF2DeJ4I
 
The video just makes me cry. I can't imagine how hard it is for owners to see them like this.
 
In EFS the dog is aware and will try to get up which is why the owner will hold the dog. The dog in the video is having an extreme attack of EF. I don't think many are that bad, especially where the disorder is so rarely known. The DNA testing really helped educate breeders and owners about EF, prior to that everyone I talked to about it was unaware. I compare EF to EIC in Labradors. EF is induced by excitement, exercise or extreme stress.
 
I had a german shepherd who had a seizure disorder and when she had seizures she was truly unaware of her surroundings both during the seizure and for quite a while afterwards. Although she wasn't blind after a seizure, she was what the neurologist called "not-sighted". She would sometimes walk around me in circles always keeping contact, or sometimes go into a corner and just keep her nose pressed there - probably both of those were to orient herself. I think Oz had one episode of EFS when he was 4 months old. His episode looked very similar to the videos - kept falling and couldn't get up. BUT - he was awake and alert the entire time it was happening and was actually trying to make it to his crate for safety I think. I sure rushed him to the vet! But of course by then he was fine. Haven't done the DNA test since I'm not breeding him and he hasn't had any more episodes (he's 6 years old now).
 
A while back, I talked to Jacques Penderis, one of the main researchers into EFS who helped develop the DNA test, and he noted that extreme cases are rare; most dogs are quite manageable and with many, the seizures stop happening as they get older. I have known of a few that were euthenised including one or two belonging to members of the board here in the pest. Really distressing cases, but most will not be that extreme.

Having the DNA test is a godsend for diagnosis and -- if used by breeders diligently -- could avoid dogs with this condition ever being born.
 
The two that I have had with EF have been like the above video. Awful to see and now we take every precaution possible to remove the triggers for them. The first one I had started with EF at four months, this was back in the early 90's and puzzled my vet. The dog never had another one from the age of six years and lived until he was fourteen.
My present boy is 9yrs and has gone two years since his last seizure. Heat is his main problem but he is a nervy boy and fear of a situation (big dogs and vet visits) have caused attacks with him in the past. Just like the owner in the video I sit quietly with him and soothe him. You can feel the moment the tension releases and I can tell by his eyes when it is over. Whilst it is an awful thing for the dog to have, there don't appear to be any after effects and my boy is a very happy dog and leads a reasonably active life. He loves digging holes and playing ball, I just monitor him more closely when he is doing these activities.
They both took part in Dr Penderis study and I was thrilled when they announced the DNA test.
 
The two that I have had with EF have been like the above video. Awful to see and now we take every precaution possible to remove the triggers for them. The first one I had started with EF at four months, this was back in the early 90's and puzzled my vet. The dog never had another one from the age of six years and lived until he was fourteen.
My present boy is 9yrs and has gone two years since his last seizure. Heat is his main problem but he is a nervy boy and fear of a situation (big dogs and vet visits) have caused attacks with him in the past. Just like the owner in the video I sit quietly with him and soothe him. You can feel the moment the tension releases and I can tell by his eyes when it is over. Whilst it is an awful thing for the dog to have, there don't appear to be any after effects and my boy is a very happy dog and leads a reasonably active life. He loves digging holes and playing ball, I just monitor him more closely when he is doing these activities.
They both took part in Dr Penderis study and I was thrilled when they announced the DNA test.

We had a rescue years ago with a very severe case , everything triggered it , it was not like a seizure at all , it was as if the dog was being picked up and thrown about by a ghost ( I did take a video but have lost it)
he had to be homed to a farm where they had a large garden so he didn't have to be walked and not many new exciting things to trigger him off. The previous owners vet had said it was just bad behaviour !
 
The video shows the dog laid with it's owner. When mine have had an attack they can fall about all over the place before I can get to him and hold him. It is horrid to see.
 
'With DNA tests I hope no other cavalier has to suffer from this.' If people bother to do them. In the UK the tests for Episodic Falling and for Dry Eye/Curly Coat cost around £48 each (the equivalent of 2 entries at a championship show) and are often on offer at a cut price. Yet a friend searching for a health-checked stud dog for her bitch found that even breeders who heart tested and MRI scanned didn't bother to DNA test. Why ever not??:sl*p:
 
It is unforgiveable to not carry out this test. I don't know how these folks sleep at night.
 
'With DNA tests I hope no other cavalier has to suffer from this.' If people bother to do them. In the UK the tests for Episodic Falling and for Dry Eye/Curly Coat cost around £48 each (the equivalent of 2 entries at a championship show) and are often on offer at a cut price. Yet a friend searching for a health-checked stud dog for her bitch found that even breeders who heart tested and MRI scanned didn't bother to DNA test. Why ever not??:sl*p:

That is interesting as quite a few puppy buyers have reported back to me that breeders that claim they health test will often show the DNA test certificates and a heart form ( the cheap & easy tests ) but they will not have any proof of MRI scanning or eye tests.
 
Quite a few breeding cavaliers are now "hereditary clear" by virtue of their parents being tested clear. They will not have certs from the AHT.
When it comes to buying a pet puppy,it's sufficient that one parent is tested clear for Dry eye/curly coat or Episodic falling as the puppy cannot be affected and we need to remember that a carrier is a healthy dog.It's also perfectly acceptable to have one parent as a carrier and the other parent clear.
Sins.
 
Good point -- forgot that this would be the case with offspring of clear matings. And yes it is important for people to understand that a carrier is different from an affected dog. Good advice. I suppose the approach then is to make sure a buyer is able to verify that at least one parent was clear either from the DNA test itself or has parents whose status is known.
 
But you still need to test at some stage - whether it's the parents or grandparents of a puppy, and you must mate carrier to clear. And if people aren't testing, they're still stumbling around in the dark. Some breeders seem to take the attitude of 'If a dog hasn't got symptoms it can't have the disease.' And that doesn't work either with EFS or Dry Eye - or with a progressive disease like CM/SM.

Kate, Oliver and Aled
 
Breeders are testing for Episodic falling and Dry Eye/Curly Coat.
The Kennel Club has revamped it's website and carries a list of tested cavaliers in the UK alone.
There's approx. 1,000 dogs on there.
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/hea...for-breeds-c-g/cavalier-king-charles-spaniel/
There's just about every known recognisable affix represented in that list.
If you take into account that there were only 5,970 cavalier puppies registered last year in the UK, then it becomes clear just how extensively tested the breed is for DE/CC and EF. If anyone feels that people aren't testing for those conditions then just direct them to the KC lists.
Sins
 
If anyone feels that people aren't testing for those conditions... My comments were based on the experience of a friend in East Anglia who was looking for a B/T stud dog, preferably on the east side of England, for her bitch who is a Dry Eye/Curly Coat carrier. After a lot of looking, she couldn't find one who had had all the health tests done, and it was often the DNA tests that were missing. Eventually she had to use a fully tested Blenheim. Perhaps the problem is not so much whether people are doing the DNA tests, but finding dogs who have had ALL the tests done. It's great if lots of people are doing the DNA tests, and saving Cavaliers from two nasty conditions - but are they also doing the SM, heart and eye tests? If not, the good take-up of the DNA tests could just be a cheap way of being able to say 'We health test' without having to do the big (and expensive) ones. Still, there is good take-up, so that's a step in the right direction whatever the motives of some. The Cavaliers who are saved from two painful diseases won't be bothered by motives!

Kate, Oliver and Aled
 
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