I'd certainly start by taking him to a cardiologist rather than a vet so that you can get the best information possible on what is going on and what the options are. If he has the murmur Nicki mentions it would be shame not to try and seek whether there are possible sources of funding as with one surgical procedure that can even be done simply by keyhole, he would likely live a normal lifespan. It doesn't sound as if he has a great breeder but if she would take him back and do the surgery, maybe as painful as it is, that would be an option to consider to give him a chance of a full life. I kind of doubt she would though.
Maybe let us know generally where you are (ie what country) and people may have some suggestions.
I'm sorry you're worried about your puppy so soon after you have gotten him. I have to agree with all they others that getting him checked by a cardioligist would be the best way to see exactly what you are facing then go from there. Best of luck to you, whatever you decide.
Hi everyone, thanks so much for your replies. We spoke to the "breeder" and he said he would refund me the money (minus the money to pick him up) but I really do not want to give him back. I feel like Elvis is my baby now and god knows what kind of treatment he would get from the "breeder" I just do not trust him.
Myself and my partner were hoping we could just keep him and ride it out, knowing that his life will be shorter. But in a way we feel like we have rescued him.
We went back to another vet last night for a second opinion and he couldn't have been nicer. He said if he had the facilities to scan his heart in Glasgow he would do it as cheap as he could for us, but he doesn't. He advised us to give our puppy back as we did not ask for this and in the long run he will cost us thousands of pounds. I wish he had said we could keep him and if he got too ill we could make a choice based on his best interests.
He told us that the scan and seeing a cardiologist would be about £800 and we could get good news- that his condition isnt too serious, or we could be right back where we started and hear that it is bad news and he will be on drugs every day of his life. We would struggle to come up with that money and apparently the PDSA do not offer such specialist vet care.
I feel if we give him up we are abandoning him and letting him down- we both feel terrible. I can't stop crying and we really don't know what to do. His breeder keeps telling me that the vet makes it out to be worse than it is and that he will probably grow out of it and he doesn't seem to be taking what I am saying the vet has told me seriously at all. The vet made it clear he is very poorly. One of his comments were "I don't want you to go through saying a sick puppy get more ill."
Here are some pictures of Elvis, I love him so much.
I really think if you take this route–you should do what others have suggested (and which I mentioned above too) --you need to get the actual name of what he has, then you need to see if there are any possible funding sources ( people made a suggestion earlier) and get a distinct idea of what would be involved in treating this condition. You also need to get an understanding from a vet or cardiologist on what is the alternative if he doesn't have the surgery, and how long he would live. Without that specific information, I don't think you can possibly make any informed decisions and people here are only making wild guesses.
We are not cardiologists and cannot give any further specific help, as you have a puppy that clearly has a rare congenital disorder and I don't think anyone here has ever dealt with it or can give you any further information on what to expect.
Can you let us know what the vets have said? Do you now have the specific name of what the puppy has? What are they talking about in terms of surgery–is it a single surgery and then that will be it or are they saying it's multiple surgeries? Are they saying that it's a simple to repair issue though expensive, and that he will have a normal life, or that he may never have a normal life? How long are they saying a puppy can survive with this condition without treatment? if you didn't get this information from the 1st vet, I assume you did ask for it from the 2nd vet?
If you want to try to keep him,ask the breeder for a full refund of the price and put it towards his medical costs.
I think it's the least he could do as it solves the problem of him having to deal with a sick puppy.
Get a copy of the vet records for the breeder...
I'm glad you have a second opinion,I think someone else suggested the PDSA,who may be able to help with treatment costs.
Maybe try contacting them for advice.
Yes we asked all of these questions both times but the vets weren't able to give us even ball park figures.
The vet advised the PDSA in the UK wouldn't fund specialist treatment or scans that he needs. So at this stage, we have no idea if we could get any funding or help. I aksed the PDSA if they could pass me on to anyone else that could help and they said they couldnt.
The vet said at this stage he does not know the cause of the murmur or what type of problem it is (valve hasn't closed, heart isn't functioning properly etc etc) and he would need to be scanned and seen by a cardiologist before he could tell us what the problem is / called. He also said that for the scans it would cost £800. The result of the scans would then lead on to him being put on drugs appropriate for his problem and he said he doubts he would need an operation. The drugs would cost a lot and he would need them every single day.
He said he doubts he would lead a normal life, he would likely not be able to run around in the park like other dogs etc. He may never lead a normal life.
Without treatment the vet refused to give an estimate of life expectancy. He said he could be absolutley fine until he is 10 years old or he could live weeks/months.
It really is terrible to try and make a clear decision. I feel like my head is full of mud- I cannot think straight. And having him cuddling and playing with us is making us bond further with him which is really hard.
Thanks again, I know you cannot offer medical advice I was only using this forum as a comfort, or for any websites / info people knew of which you have been so kind to pass on to. I am merely looking for support at this difficult time and any experiences that you can share (I appreciate all posts thus far.)
OK, that helps a lot to have the additional information.
I think I'd ask for a referral to a cardiologist, explain your situation, and ask if maybe he could just have a basic exam and then get the cardio's view? The cardio may have a quite different view than the vet and may have a good idea of what is going on and be able to suggest a treatment approach.
I think you need a more informed opinion than a vet can offer.
I also think Sins suggestion is good -- try and get the refund, to go towards a cardio visit.
Maybe someone here can suggest a good cardio in your region who might be helpful.
Also are these vets sure this is not a puppy flow murmur?
Why don't you call a cardiologist, and explain the situation? Just because your vet can't give an accurate diagnosis from just a stethoscope doesn't mean a specialist will have the same limitation. It will not cost as much if he just listens, and doesn't do the scan. Then he can advise from there what the puppy's chances are, and whether he thinks the scan is needed.
Sorry for not giving all that info in my post I am finding it hard to function just now!
Great advice re cardiologist I will get on that this afternoon. If anyone has any recommendations in SCOTLAND that would be great.
I hhave contacted breeder again as haven't had reply to my last two message we defo want a full refund.
The poor pup doesn't have a clue whats going on I hope we can get some help and give him the best possible life.
Thanks again everyone! N