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    after his boiled chicken and rice dinner, zack slept for a long very long time.
    finally i woke him up because i wanted to go to bed, it was late. when he woke up he seemed to feel really good, he was playing and running around for a long time, and he seemed hungry. i wasnt sure if i should give him more chicken and rice, it was so late, so i didn't. i'll feed him small servings tomorrow. i'm so happy to see him happy.

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    Keep him on small servings as per recommendations by others. Small meals are easier for him to digest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judy
    I'm wondering what Bruce would use the Neomycin for. It's for bacteria, right?

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    Neomycin is a mild antibiotic, less likely to upset his tummy.

    Make sure there is no pink in the chicken breast. The key is small meals, a couple tablespoons at a time and every few hours. Once he is over this, you may want to keep up with the small meals. Don't know how much you feed, but our adults get 1/2 cup per day. If you follow the feeding instructions on the bags, I would say you're probably feeding too much.

    Hope this is over soon. I know how nerve-wracking it is to have a sick dog.
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    A half cup a day seems so little. I'm used to my cat, i have just left food in her bowl for her to eat when she wants. She doesn't eat too much, a bowl lasts for days. So i had started out with zack that way too--i'm talking about dry food of course. Until that day he got sick two weeks ago, he was l ike the cat, he'd nibble a little bit now and then, and after i told him no, he didn't eat the cat's food at all, which was next to his, just separated by the water bowl. In two weeks, it was only necessary to correct him a couple of times, otherwise, he just left the cat food alone. I was surprised at this compliance on his part and impressed. But after that night he got sick, when he got his appetite back 24 hours later, he was so ravenous, i didn't feel i could trust that he wouldn't eat the cat's food when his was gone, so i've kept the cat's food upstairs and have a gate that keeps him from going upstairs. Before that night he got sick, his bowl was usually not emptied, but now since then, he cleans his bowl in one or two eatings, so things have changed.

    A half a cup divided into two meals seems so little, he acts so hungry--is this to be expected and is it ok to not feed him more even though he is still very hungry when he's done?

    About feeding him small amounts in multiple feedings, during the week when i go to the office, i would feed him in the morning and come home 4 or a bit more hours later and feed him again, and then another 4 or 5 hours later when i get home. If it's 2 tablespoons, is that enough for him? Is that often enough?

    None of the vets mentoned neomycin. Is it given orally? Can it be given by injection? Must it be gotten from a vet? Bruce, I take it you find it effective when nothing else works? Or do you use it as a first resort, at the outset of diarrhea/coliltis?

    Any ideas why none of the 5 vets i've seen have suggested trying it, instead repeating flagyl which is not working? I asked one of my vets, one who keeps repeating flagyl, why they had not suggested trying the sulfasalazine that the other vet i took him to put him on, i asked if there was a problem with the medication that explained her not using it. She said there's no problem with it, it's just that it's "old timey", and they don't even carry it.

    i'm really grateful to people here for sharing their experiences and for those who have given caring thoughts and words. It's very helpful.

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    When Rory was a pup, he got 1cup a day split into 2 meals. Now he gets 1/2 cup a day divided into 2 meals + wet food. Each dog is individual and you must feed them so they're not starving, but not fat either.

    i'd recommend not free feeding. Cavs are very prone to getting overweight and this can compound their heart problems. (all that extra weight puts additional stress on their hearts and bodies)

    I think a puppy should get more food as they are growing and need that extra energy.


    Also - wet food is less energy dense than dry food. so you have to feed more if you're giving him ID or boiled chicken and rice. We switched the dogs to a hhome cooked food and Rory lost too much weight because I wasn't feeding him enough. He needed more of the wet food to get the same energy because of all the water weight in the wet food.
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    thanks for the info on rory. i guess you have to play it by ear all the time.
    When i made the chicken and rice today, i saw that two tablespoons is more than i thought, I had made about 3 tablespoons so i gave him two and saved the rest. but he still is acting hungry, and a problem with that is that when he's more hungry, he is more likely to try to eat inappropriate things.

    At this point, he's very slender. He doesn't seem bony but he's anything but fat. I definitely don't want him to get overweight. i guess you just have to adjust as you go along.

    just to make sure i'm doing the chicken and rice correctly, is this right? he only had a small part of that huge chicken breast. I put the rest in a baggie (i need to go out and buy some food storing containers, i have some small ones but none to fit the chicken breast). I made some extra rice so i can just mix some cooked rice and cold chicken in a sauce pan with a little water and warm it up. I am thinking the cold chicken should be good for up to 4 days. After that, i'd cook a new one.

    Does this system sound OK?

    another problem just came up. I got a call from my 87 year old mother and she's not feeling well, aching in her head, chest and stomach, it sounds like i will have to go over and it's not near where i live, probably will have to take her to emergency hospital and they might keep us sitting there for 6 hours while they work on the people with more urgent emergencies like the last time we did that, a year or two ago. She's alone, and she has some dementia, and i believe when i call her doctor, she'll recommend taking her in to get her checked out. those kind of symptoms can be the heart.

    This means leaving Zack in his crate for?????? Not feeding him??

    I was so looking forward to a relaxing day today with no vet appointments, nursing Zack along, enjoying him while he feels well, before going back to work tomorrow. :cry:

    i might take him with me in the crate and keep him at her house while we're at the hospital and go and feed him during the time we're there waiting to see a doctor if it takes that long, bring his chicken with me, pack it in some ice.


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    Can you instead confine him to an exercise pen or a small rooom like a kitchen? This would be more comfortable than long-term crating. Also you need to feed amounts appropriate for your dog. When mine were pups they like Rory each got about 1 cup of food total divided into three then two meals. Now they get lesss as adults (puppies need more food). Cavs are *always* hungry BTW in my experience -- which is why they get fat so easily!

    But half a cup a day is probably too little for a pup. Try 3/4ths or a cup divided into the smaller meals.
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    Neomycine is given orally. We use it as a first try if a problem doesn't go away in a couple days. Having said that, if you or your vet aren't comfortable giving it, don't do it. Kris and I are not vets and we would never want you to do something your vet wouldn't want to do. Don't know if it might have a reaction with other drugs you are now giving.

    At this point I would err on the side of slightly underfeeding until he is straightened out. At that point you can give him a little more food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by karlin
    Can you instead confine him to an exercise pen or a small rooom like a kitchen? This would be more comfortable than long-term crating.
    Yes, i am wanting to just put gates on the two doors to the kitchen, but i was waiting until he really got the idea about going outside to go to the bathroom, i was afraid that if i leave him free in the kitchen before he learns and commits to going outside, it will confuse him about that subject and he will think the kitchen is an ok place to use for elimination.

    He is progressing well in housetraining but he's not there yet. He does ask to go outside, he never once has gone inside the crate, but he also thinks going on the wee wee pads inside is ok, though that is the exception, it's been a few days now since he's gone on a wee wee pad, and that was when it was raining. but then sporadically he will just start peeing right in front of me on the rug, as if he has no inhibition. I'd say that happens once a week or less though.

    But i am unhappy with him being in the crate, it just strikes me as too confining, and i am eager to set him up in the whole kitchen. i may be forced by circumstances to do it before he learns that in is in and out is out.

    i called my mom back, i had told her to take tylenol because she said her head was aching, and i called her about 45 miinutes later and she said she felt better, pain had gone away, she was watching TV, i've called her a couple more times, she sounds ok. so i'm still home, zack sleeping in my lap, i gave him that other heaping tablespoon of chicken and rice. looking forward to giving him a little more in a couple of hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce H
    Neomycine is given orally. We use it as a first try if a problem doesn't go away in a couple days. Having said that, if you or your vet aren't comfortable giving it, don't do it. Kris and I are not vets and we would never want you to do something your vet wouldn't want to do. Don't know if it might have a reaction with other drugs you are now giving.
    If what he's getting isn't working, maybe neomycin kills something those other meds don't. i don't want to give him more drugs on top of what he's taking now, but i want to ask the vet about it. If it works for you and you use it rather than flagyl, it's good to know about. Your experience is important information. i understand you're not advising to do something a vet is opposed to though. thanks a lot for sharing what works for you!

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