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    Where do you get chicken necks in dublin? I've never seen any. What age should they get them. Would Holly to be young to try?? (4 months)
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    Yvonne I get them on Moore street -- two of the butchers at least carry them -- that really large butchers near the shopping street end has them and the one directly across. I get a couple of kilos and divide them into small bags (enough for three days of meals) and freeze. Four months is fine for them. You can feed a single neck as a substitute for one meal for a pup. Just keep an eye while she eats, that she crunches down the neck.

    They are a little bit messy but not as messy as a marrow bone. Mine now eat them from their bowls anyway -- not on the floor -- so they don;t make much mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by karlin
    Yvonne I get them on Moore street -- two of the butchers at least carry them -- that really large butchers near the shopping street end has them and the one directly across. I get a couple of kilos and divide them into small bags (enough for three days of meals) and freeze. Four months is fine for them. You can feed a single neck as a substitute for one meal for a pup. Just keep an eye while she eats, that she crunches down the neck.

    They are a little bit messy but not as messy as a marrow bone. Mine now eat them from their bowls anyway -- not on the floor -- so they don;t make much mess.
    Karlin

    How did you manage to get them to eat them from their bowls ????
    Dudley always takes them to his pillow.

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    Well when there are two the competition gets them to eat their food right there -- no fussing about! I don;t know, they've always just eaten them from their bowls though Leo is a slower eater and sometimes sets one on the floor before eating it -- he likes to look at it carefully first.
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    I haven't seen raw chicken necks in our butchers, but will ask next time I'm in.

    They do have the whole carcasses {after the chicken has been jointed, breast removed etc} - I think people buy them for stock for soup. Are these any good?
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    Are there leg bones left or is it the body? The body and backs would be excellent! I know some feed legs with no issues, and thighs. I have always been a bit more wary of those, perhaps for no reason. I have fed thighs and legs and they've eaten those down. The backs are really good, and take them a satisfying while to eat.

    Try a Chinese market; they often have necks for making soup stock. But if you are in a rural area that might not be possible! I buy necks a couple of kilos at a time from a big butchers that sells them to the eastern European and Chinese communities, for soup stock.
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    I think it's just the body...

    "Try a Chinese market" - sadly we're about 400 miles North of anywhere here, I don't think I've even seen a Chinese person within about 100 mile raidus, and that includes the local Chinese takeaway LOL

    I'll give the bodies a try though - thanks for that.
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    PS have you heard of/seen this book?

    Raw meat diets for cats and dogs?

    An Assessment of the Research and Arguments Related to the Advisability of Feeding Raw Meat-Based Diets to Cats and Dogs by James O’Heare, Ph.D.

    On June 1st. 2005 DogPsych Publishing released a new book on the raw meat diet for pet cats and dogs. Previous books on the topic were written mainly by proponents of the diet and to date no book dedicated solely to this topic has been written from an objective, scientific and critical reasoning perspective. The book describes a thorough review of the literature on the topic, evaluating the advisability of such a diet. It also explores the arguments put forth by proponents in a critical manner to evaluate its validity and acceptability. This is the first book written on the topic that objectively evaluates this relatively new trend in companion animal feeding and will contribute to our understanding of how safe and effective it is relative to other diets.


    I can only find it here:

    http://www.crosskeysbooks.com/produc...te_banner_id=1

    I wondered whether it was worth getting as I'm trying to do my research proplerly!!
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    That's interesting. What is stated is true -- there are very few studies on raw diets and if you dare mention any of them to raw advocates certain types will shoot you down. It reminds me of the attitude we had to adults on ANY topic when I was a teenager. I haven't heard of this book. I'd like a neutral analysis -- not a vet set against bones entirely, nor a member of the raw religion crowd where they are ALWAYS right and have totally unscientific 'proof' to disprove whatever anyone says against raw.

    There is evidence that dogs shed salmonella in their feces when fed on raw chicken in particular. So therefore that should be a consideration if there's anyone immuno-compromised in the home, or young children. What amazes me is that if you even suggest this, some raw advocates will go crazy, even though they are often the same people who would not go near a cat litter box if pregnant.

    There is some known but small risk in raw beef as well. That risk is enough to keep me generally from feeding raw beef though I would give bones. I just lightly sear mince and then cool it, put it in a container, and use it as a base for their meals.

    I wish there were more extensive studies on feeding raw.

    Overall I feel there are very good aspects to a raw diet given with certain precautions. In particular I like giving them the bones for their teeth especially in this breed since gum disease is known to be tied to heart disease.

    If you get the book I'd be interested to know what you think. I might order it myself.
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    OK here's some background on this guy:

    http://animalconsultants.org/consult...eare_james.htm
    http://www.jamesoheare.com/

    It sounds a bit... stretched to say the least. Note he has done a bunch of coursework at BA and Masters level but this is phrased to imply there's a degree taken whereas if you dig deeper theres only about 36 hours of work done in any of these degree courses. When I taught university level composition, my students got about 36 hours of classwork for ONE course. Also what in the world is a Post-doctoral certificate? You either have the doctorate or you don't. I assume a post-doc cert given when someone attends a class designed to maintain a cerrtain level of qualifications once one has a professional qualification, but these tend to only indicate that you've sat and listened to some lectures at a conference or in a class. My dada (a medical professor at the U of California and Standford til his retirement) has hundreds of hours of post-degree certificates as these are required in most states to maintain your medical license. These are not overly taxing.

    If all he has a certificate, he is not entitled to be saying he has a PhD.

    That's not to say he hasn't done his research work in his articles and isn't well qualified as a behaviouralist and so forth -- but I am always very wary of someone using degrees they don't appear to have or implying they have what they don't have. Maybe he just hasn't updated the site to reflect an actual PhD...

    If someone is well qualified and has done lots of interesting work as this person appears to have done, I can never understand why they don't simply stand on the strength of what they do have.
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