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    Default TedBear - MRI

    I wasn't going to say anything yet, but as it's a few weeks away, thought I'd tell everyone.

    TedBear is going to have a consultation and an MRI at Glasgow Vet School on 24th April.

    He has been scratching for some time, we've eliminated other causes and sadly now suspect that it may be Syringo.

    He is 2 1/2, the scratching is really his only symptom, he's so full of life and happy. He does startle easily, and is "reactive" when you groom him - he scratches behind his front legs and around his neck. If you put a collar on him, he reacts to this too. He's not showing any signs of being in pain - he never cries out or screams like Rupert does when he has an episode.

    I know that some dogs who've only shown mild symptoms have actually been the most severely affected when MRI'd, so we are doing this to establish how badly affected he really is, and his treatment options. We have tried Frusemide, but this didn't work for him.

    I will of course keep everyone posted and let you know when I have the results - just can't believe this is happening, we tried so hard to find an unaffected dog, there is no family history and his breeder is {genuinely} shocked. He was 19 months when we had him, and started scratching at 22 months.
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    Oh Nicki, I am so sorry to hear this. This must be such a weight for you to be carrying, and it won't be easy to have to wait until the 24th to know more. I'll be hoping for the best possible outcome. It could be PSOM that is bothering him, especially if he doesn't seem to have any other issues. And I know Clare feels that scratching alone is not necessarily going to be a major problem and he might never have any further difficulties, if it is SM. I'm thinking of you as I know the uncertainty right now must be very difficult.
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    Nicki -

    I'm so sorry to hear you suspect SM in dear TedBear. I will be thinking of you and hoping that his MRI is clear. It sounds hopeful that his symptoms are very mild at his age. HOpefully if he does have SM he will be one of the lucky ones who don't progress past the scratching and mild discomfort. I can imagine how frustrating this must be considering all you've been through with Rupert and your efforts to avoid going through that again...

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    Oh Nicki I'm so sorry about TedBear. I just felt sick when I read this. You've been through so much with Rupert, and TedBear is better hands because of this. You're going to get some answers and regardless, he's going to have the best life possible just as Rupert. Know that we're thinking of you and TedBear, and will keep you in our thoughts on the 24.
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    I'm really sorry to hear this Nicki. My thoughts are with you and Tedbear for the 24th. The very best of luck.
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    Thanks everyone - your positive thoughts and words are much appreciated. TedBear was quite scratchy last night - I have been putting a magnetic collar on him at night but had to take it off as it was bothering him too much

    He does sit on my magnetic pad during the day sometimes though which I hope will help.

    Karlin, I started off hoping that it might be PSOM but had dismissed it as he is scratching behind his front legs mostly - although also at his neck and ears. I would have expected PSOM irritation to be concentrated around the face?
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    My understanding is that because it can cause other neurological signs, it can potentially trigger scratching anywhere.

    Abstract:
    Sixty-one episodes of primary secretory otitis media (PSOM) were diagnosed in 43 Cavalier King Charles spaniels over a 10-year period. The principal findings were signs of moderate to severe pain localised to the head or cervical area, and/or neurological signs.
    I would imagine as with SM that the neurological signs could be the same skin-creeping sensations and so on. I don't know many more details; I have this complete article somewhere so will see if I can find it on my PC.
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    The neurological signs seen with middle ear didsease are usually vestibular -- i.e. balance issues. Head tilts, circling, unbalanced, etc. Due to compression of other nerves w/in the skull, not the spinal cord which is thought to be the cause of the neurological "creepy skin" sensations observed in SM.

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    Thanks guys - PSOM is looking more unlikely...his balance is superb, he's like a little mountain goat if he gets up on the rocks etc. No head tilt etc. He leaps up and down from the bed and chairs quite happily too - there is a pouffee at the end of the bed to reduce the height of the jump.

    The only circling he does is to "twirl" with excitement, which he's always done - so cute!!

    Karlin, I think I have that article somewhere too, I did read it ages ago and didn't recollect seeing scratching specifically mentioned.
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    Ok - i talked to a classmate and she reminded me that a lot of the "neuro" signs of middle ear disease (like the balance and stuff) is due to disruption of the vestibular system which is responsible for an animal's (or human's) sense of balance. There are these little hairs in the middle ear and this delicate system.... really hard to explain. Anyway. Middle ear disease can cause "neurologic" signs related to this. Also can cause Horner's syndrome due to compression of one of the cranial nerves.

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    The only circling he does is to "twirl" with excitement, which he's always done - so cute!!
    rory does this, too. It's adorable.
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