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    Two puppies can seem as if they will surely be twice as much fun and twice the cuteness of one! But be sure to consider very carefully whether you want to get two puppies at the same time, especially if you live alone, are in a situation where you or you and your partner are at work most of the day, or you have young children at home. The reality is that two puppies also mean twice as much work and additional very serious possibilities for real problems with training and behaviour.

    The reasons experienced trainers and breeders do not usually recommend getting two at the same time are that
    two young pups will likely bond closely with each other rather than to the people that own them, and can cause behaviour problems -- owners will need to put in a LOT of time with each pup separately to train. Two pups is as hard as twin babies -- everything has to be done twice and unique to each pup. Also siblings do not always get along well as they get older. I know many people who have successfully brought up two puppies together -- but it is wise to realise from the start how much work this is going to be. I'd be concerned about any breeder who does not offer some cautions -- ESPECIALLY to an inexperienced dog home. This is a strong indication that they are more interested in the fast cash inflow from selling two puppies, than of the puppies' welfare or giving proper guidance and support to the buyer.

    Many good breeders will not home two pups at the same time or two pups from the same litter for these reasons. Extra work will be required as well as a very vigilant eye to prevent problems from the start and to have your two end up as well rounded adults. Not least because as we know so well, two puppies are so cute playing together than the temptation can be to just let them spend all their time together and let them get away with whatever they want! But what is charming at 3 or 4 months -- little puppy yaps, grabbing onto clothing, baby nips, jumping up on people, chewing -- is not charming at 12 months and older when you are confronted with barking, destructive chewing, jumping on visitors, damaging clothes and furniture, and may take a lot of remedial work and be difficult to rectify. So just be aware if two pups are on your gameplan, you'll want sound advice for raising them and also to have read widely and well to prepare for this challenge and handle it successfully .

    Generally if you have one pup already and are thinking to add a second PUPPY you want to wait til the first dog is a mature, trained ADULT: meaning at LEAST a year old (but even this is really very young). The general recommendation from trainers, *responsible* breeders (who are not just trying to make a second puppy sale) and experienced owners is to wait til the first dog is 18 months to 24 months old and TRAINED. It might seem a great idea to get a second pup while you are enamoured of your first cute one -- but adolescent dogs in particular become a real challenge (like teens) and will need your full time and focus. Adding a pup makes it very difficult to properly work with dog one and very soon you have a second in the same phase-- which can be an exhausting nightmare. Also, waiting til Dog #1 is older and trained means s/he makes training #2 much easier as the older calm trained dog serves as a great role model. But listen to dog owners giving advice HERE.

    This article below should be your first stop before ever committing to two puppies -- and for advice if you already have committed to the little rascals. In general be forewarned that I could not find a SINGLE article online from a vet or dog trainer or any reputable breeder that recommends getting two puppies at once, or that doesn't warn against doing so. But obviously many people do choose to do this and this article and some of the links that follow should be of help if you definitely will be getting, or already have, two pups. One comment I'd have is that generally, with cavaliers you don't have serious issues with two dogs of the same sex (but you will be likely to have some):

    original link: http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=2043

    Two Puppies or One?

    Are you getting a new dog and thinking of adopting two puppies at once? Would that double the pleasure? Could they be company for each other when you're not home? Does it seem a good way to settle competition between human partners or the children in the family over who gets to play with the dog? More dogs, more to go around --does that plan work?

    Not exactly. Expert breeders are careful about placing two puppies together in one home, because they know how much work it is to raise both of them properly. An improperly raised puppy can wind up homeless when the little and cute stage wears off and the defense drives begin to mature. Even dogs who don't become aggressive can become too rowdy for the family, if they weren't given the right training early.

    Puppies are individuals and each puppy needs a good upbringing. This includes plenty of good experiences with people, places and things. It includes plenty of training and plenty of conditioning to being touched and handled by humans. Much of this work must be done with the puppy one-on-one, away from any other dogs in the household. How is this accomplished?

    How to Raise Two Puppies Successfully

    Skilled dog trainers and breeders often have the job of raising two puppies at once, so we know a lot about how to do this successfully. Here are some keys to success:

    1. Make a careful choice. Dogs who get along as puppies will not necessarily get along at maturity. If you plan to keep your dogs together later (breeders and trainers often keep their dogs routinely separated, all or part of the time), it's important to choose a pair with the best chance of a happy relationship as mature dogs. Most puppies get along, so that tells you nothing about how they will do later.

    Getting dogs of opposite sex is usually the number one criteria for them to live safely and happily together later. In some breeds it's especially dangerous to keep two of the same sex together, so do your homework if you're considering that. Nature will take its course later, no matter how much you try to get them to love each other. They can love each other literally to the death, especially two females of certain breeds.

    2. If you are going to keep the dogs together, plan to spay and neuter them, spaying the female before her first heat. A male and female dog may be able to live freely together after maturity if both are altered. They actually have a richer social life that way than when used for breeding.

    3. The pups need to be trained to rest calmly in separate crates while they are young. Putting two dogs in the same crate causes all kinds of problems, including excessive stress, fighting, and an over-dependence on each other. If there's a mess, both are confined in it. Neither can get away from the other, and that's just not natural for dogs. Plus, they very much need to learn while young that it is safe to be alone. And they need to bond with humans, which is hard for them to do when they spend all their time with another dog.

    4. Each pup needs plenty of outings with humans without the other pup. This is an essential part of the pup developing an individual identity and the ability to function without the other one. It also gives the pup a desperately needed opportunity to bond with humans.

    All dogs need to go out with you for socialization to people, places and things. The difference with two puppies is that you need to do double outings, ideally one per day for each puppy. This process is best continued at least until a year of age, longer for some dogs.

    5. Each pup needs to be trained as an individual. When you have one puppy, a lot of training can happen around the house in the course of the day. Having two puppies complicates things. The outings will give you necessary opportunities to train the puppies away from each other.

    Responsibility in dogs is an individual trait, not a group characteristic. A group of people is a mob and a group of dogs is a pack. A pack will do things you don't want your dogs doing, because their instincts get over-stimulated and a different set of instincts kicks in.

    Your best hope of controlling your dogs when they are together is to have an excellent foundation of training with each dog as an individual. Without that, the dogs can get hurt, other animals and people in the household can get hurt, and you can get hurt, too. You need to be able to control each dog with just your voice, not sticking your hands into a situation with teeth flashing.

    Each dog needs to go to training class weekly without the other dog (many instructors wisely will not let family members train two dogs from the same family in the same class) and practice the class homework daily away from the other dog. As they become well-trained, you'll also want to practice working them together so they also learn to obey with the pack influence.

    Why It's Hard

    Because of the need to separate the dogs for training, for bonding time with humans, and to prevent them from becoming unable to function apart -- it's actually more than twice the work to raise two puppies at the same time. Things like housetraining can present huge challenges, too, since the scent of an accident from one puppy stimulates the other puppy to use the same spot.

    If you get two males, housetraining problems can escalate as they mature. For best housetraining results, try to have males neutered by a year of age at the latest. Research shows it helps at any age, though, so if that time has passed, it's still worth neutering for housetraining and for other reasons, such as prostate health in later life.

    We don't necessarily think in terms of "identity" with dogs, but it might help if we did. From human twins it has been learned that too much togetherness can make it difficult for each to develop a healthy sense of identity. Like human twins, dogs sometimes must be separated. If they have not learned to function comfortably as individuals, this can stress them at such times as illness or the death of one of the dogs. It is much kinder to the dogs to develop their separate identities right from the start.

    Growing up together does not override normal dog instincts as they mature. You have probably noticed that not all human siblings can get along with each other as adults! The same is true of dogs. It's nature's way for those with leadership qualities to divide up and form separate packs that are small enough to live successfully on the food supplies in each pack's home area.

    In the wild when the pups grow up and two don't find a natural pack order with each other, one leaves to join a new pack or form one. But in our homes, our dogs are not free to move out. When they grow up and these problems become apparent, some dogs are not easy to place in new homes. Too many people will only adopt puppies and won't even consider adult dogs. It also hurts the dog's chances of adoption to have a history of fighting and possibly scars.

    It's emotionally wrenching for us to give up one of the dogs we've grown to love, too. If you start with a male and a female rather than two dogs of the same sex, this probably will not happen. He can be top male and she can be top female, and they don't have to compete head-to-head. It's still a lot of work, but at maturity they are likely to get along. (That is, unless you have other dogs in the home -- in which case, it's going to be even harder to make it work bringing in two pups at once.)

    One last concern when you get two pups together is that they will be the same age at the other end of life. It's likely that you will lose them close together. That is extremely tough emotionally on the family. It's much better to space your dogs' ages out if you can.

    One is Loads of Fun!

    It's actually pretty easy to work around the reasons people think it would be better to get two pups than one. The loneliness thing? Dogs sleep about 14 hours a day, often more for puppies. Most of the time you're gone to work is sack-out time for the pup, if you carefully condition the young one to feeling calm in a safe confinement area.

    Being the only puppy in there, Lucky Pup gets to have goodies it wouldn't be safe to leave with two competitive pups together, even if you need to use a small room or portable exercise pen with Little L at first because of the length of your work day.

    Dog walker, pet sitter, day boarding with your veterinarian, friend or relative to watch your pup during the early months until pup can hold it all day? Less expensive for one pup than two, and more friends and relatives willing to do it!

    Puppy vaccinations and medical bills? Vaccination costs and some other bills cut in half. Medical bills from one puppy catching something and passing it on to the other puppy cut even more, and ditto for medical costs to repair puppies damaging each other in rough play.

    Outings? One puppy can go along where you go much more often, because one puppy is welcome in a lot of places that couldn't handle two puppies. Like oh, say, your relatives' house for a family party. So instead of taking one pup along to that and then thinking up someplace else to take the other pup that day beforehand when you're rushed or afterward when you're tired, you get it done in one. Plus the puppy is with you, not home with no potty access.

    At spay/neuter time, you can easily schedule the procedure for the ideal time for this pup, not having to compromise in order to prevent an accidental breeding. You also won't have to worry about separating the pups while each recovers from surgery. (Try doing that for two pups at once -- it's like running a hospital ward!)

    Bonding with one puppy is easy-peasy when you do the right things. It happens naturally. It's work, yes, but it fits most people's lifestyles much more easily than trying to do the process with two. With good handling and training, your puppy naturally becomes a member of the family.

    Enough puppy to go around? For maybe two weeks the kids might compete over who gets to play with the puppy. After that, the "new has worn off," and taking care of the puppy becomes work! The more people in the family to share the labor, the better. Make sure everyone knows exactly what their part is, so people aren't all hoping "someone else" will do it, and the dog goes untrained and uncared for.

    Raising two puppies at the same time can be done, but...are you sure that's what you want to do? When you do a great job with one puppy, you may be surprised just how much love and enjoyment comes in that one little (but possibly very fast-growing!) package.



    Kathy Diamond Davis is the author of the book Therapy Dogs: Training Your Dog to Reach Others. Should the training articles available here or elsewhere not be effective, contact your veterinarian. Veterinarians not specializing in behavior can eliminate medical causes of behavior problems. If no medical cause is found, your veterinarian can refer you to a colleague who specializes in behavior or a local behaviorist.


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    Additional must-read links. Some are cautionary and some give advice if you already have committed to two pups and are in the position of needing help, not warnings! :

    This is very good advice on raising two siblings in particular but applies to any two puppies:

    http://www.caninedevelopment.com/Sibling.htm

    Where this experienced trainer says:

    Twenty-five years ago, I saw only one home per year that had acquired littermates. Now, I see 2 or 3 per month. “Littermate Syndrome” can be mild or severe. Mild cases are barely noticeable, while severe cases can lead to constant fighting, separation anxiety from each other, and even in some cases, aggression towards humans. Many of the cases I see involve dogs that cannot be separated even for the time it takes to take one for a walk. If one dog is sick and must stay overnight at the veterinarian’s, the stay-at-home dog will become destructive and vocal.

    Dogs MUST be allowed to develop as individuals....

    So what do we do? This is ALWAYS a hard phone call for me to take. I am always torn between my duty as a trainer and my desire not to upset my clients. But, my trainer instinct always wills out. I must first consider what is best for the dog. What is the best environment for the dog’s mental well-being? What will be the best way to keep him healthy mentally, to promote his ability to bond to his owner, and to try to ensure a long life in a good home?

    There are TWO solutions. While the first solution is the best thing for the dog, it is almost always unthinkable for the owners. They have become attached to the pups and it is a hard solution to face. The BEST (but not only) solution is to re-home one dog. Find him a good home possibly with another family member or trusted neighbor. I have seen drastic improvements in the personalities of both pups when the owners re-home one…I have seen these changes occur almost over night and even as late as 7-9 months of age. However, the longer you wait, the harder it will be.

    The second best solution is to do everything in your power to create two individual dogs. They must be allowed, no, REQUIRED, to have their own space, to develop their own personalities, and to look to the owner for bonding and love. They must have lots and lots of “only dog” time.
    Read the full article to find out her recommendations on what to do.

    And some others:

    This is a great article from a dog breeder's point of view: http://www.mastamariner.com/advice_s...2_puppies.html
    They note amongst other things: "Two puppies together are usually more difficult to raise and to house train, they learn more slowly because they are distracted by one another and tend to concentrate on each other rather than on their owner."

    Another trainer's point of view: http://home.att.net/~pvee/dbltrbl.html
    She starts off by observing exactly where most two-puppy ideas start:
    You couldn't resist. They were totally adorable six-week-old balls of fluff romping and scuffling on the breeder's carpeting. So you agreed to take Molly and Jasper home at eight weeks, and now they're romping, scuffling, eliminating, chewing, and digging on your carpeting!

    You had the best of intentions. Not only would they keep each other company during your long hours at work, but you and your spouse would each have your own dog. And it didn't seem like two little puppies would be much more trouble to take care of than one.

    Unfortunately, the operative word is "trouble." You soon discover that two pups seem to make not twice, but eight times the mess as one! It's as if they "feed" off each other's energy.
    Karlin
    Cavaliers: Jaspar Lily Tansy Libby Mindy
    In memory: Lucy Leo
    Cavalier SM Information site:www.smcavaliers.com

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