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    Yikes, poor girl, she needs to get fixed up! How did they determine the dys? I'm contemplating bringing Abbey in as her eyes are very watery. Curious as to what they do.

    Over all good news for Anna, hopefully she'll be feeling better soon!
    Jen, Abbey (Tri Cavalier) & Gus (White Min. Schnauzer)

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    That is very good that she has had some of these problems pinpointed -- she must be so relieved.

    She should however keep in mind that the things you were mentioning sound *very much* like SM and vets really do not have any idea what to look for; most will NEVER have seen a dog with this condition or its various neurological manifestations. Likewise a GP would simply never identify SM in a human patient -- but keep trying to address the bits and pieces that are actually the symptoms of the larger condition. The most frequent misdiagnosis from vets is allergies but incidence of allergies is really very low in dogs whereas incidence of SM in the breed is very high (this again has been the conclusion of the North Carolina study but I will post on that later -- suffice to say of 59 cavaliers all chosen to represent a broad range of backgrounds, lines and where only a couple were considered to be potentially symptomatic, 22 already had SM and **51** had the malformation and other "abnormalities" of the skull (as the researchers put it) that are known to lead to SM over time. This is the study that Rory took part in, BTW.

    Hence if the dog is showing symptoms similar to those for SM, she should really, really, really get a referral to a neurologist for an exam as a neuro can determine immediately on a clinical exam whether there's a likelihood of SM. If there is SM and this isn't addressed, the likelihood of being able to do any more than try to keep the dog comfortable for a while with medication is very low, especially as some of these symtpoms would be typical of more advanced stages of SM.

    I know she will want to be celebrating at this point but I would and I have absolutely no doubt any neurologist familiar with this condition would say to get that dog to a neurologist familiar with the condition to make SURE this isn't SM/COMS. If she actually saw a neuro -- and it isn't quite clear if she did? -- then of course all of this doesn't apply. But unfortunately I would not accept a vet's opinion on this, even a specialist in other areas; only a neurologist. Having seen how even neurologists unfamiliar with this condition keep misdiagnosing, I feel very strongly that any dog with such an array of symptoms should see a neurologist familiar with SM -- just to make absolutely sure that a dog has the all-clear. Totally clear dogs are exceedingly rare -- perhaps at most 10-15% of the cavalier population. Did they do an MRI at all? That is really the only way they can eliminate SM as a source of this wide array of symptoms.
    Cavaliers: Tansy : Mindy Connie Roxy Neasa Gus
    In memory: My beautiful Jaspar Lucy Leo Lily Libby

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    Wiltshire. U.K.
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    If the little dog in question hasn't had an MRI and has had only a med examination and shows signs then to be 100% sure you will still need an MRI.

    This is the only way to tell.

    Even a neuro exam consult alone cannot tell you the possible inside damage.

    Better to be safe?

    Alison, Wilts, U.K.


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