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    Quote Originally Posted by goldcountryrose
    Karlin, I just don't know what to say. Clearly your heart is true and your knowledge is beyond reproach. I really hope this doesn't make you mad, but I have to understand.

    Are you saying that if I chose to buy a dam and a sire, and paid about 6k for them, and I had made sure that their DNA was far removed, did heart checks, and everything else I could do...If I got a litter, then I am just a backyard breeder? I am sensing an ackward standard.

    So far, no one has answered my basic question, why would the breeder of my dog choose AI when she had 2 perfectly able males an 2 perfectly able females? Why did she keep my dog and his brother 7 months? She said it was because she thought my dog was going to be a perfect show dog, but then the underbite showed up as he grew older.




    She has the mother of my dog and saw her. She has a male who is too big to breed, he is about 25 lbs, so she didn't breed him. She had me sign a contract that I would neuter my dog, and on the AKC registration form, she blacked out the space she should have to indicate that my dog cannot be bred or shown. Does that sound irresponsible to you?

    I have the love of my life, and I got him for 600 dollars because of his defect. I could not love him more. And he is as healthy as a horse.

    When I send in his AKC registration, I will get his pedigree, with prior generations.

    I'm not refuting anything you say, but it does sound like you are saying that my dog, since he came from loving people who arent in some registry, is doomed.

    But on this website, I read of dogs who become desperately ill and die and I don't hear that those dogs came from disreputable people.

    Karlin, I am just suggesting that tho some breeders only have a few dogs, that doesn't mean that they aren't paying attention.

    As to Puppy Mills, I find the whole concept disgusting.
    $$ 6000.00 isn't that much for TWO breeding quality cavaliers. There is an import that came into the US that cost more than 20 thousand.

    DNA can't be far removed--- these are purebred cavaliers. Random outcrossing can produce cavaliers that don't breed to the standard. You have to know pedigrees and what they produce to venture into outcrossing successfully.

    People who breed dogs for pets are backyard breeders. People who bred dogs for $$$ are puppymillers- People who breed dogs to improve the breed are hobby breeders. Only hobby breeders tend to go to health seminars have board certified heart, eye and hip exams and possibly MRI their breeding dogs.

    A slight underbite is NOT a huge defect. I would never sell a dog with an underbite for less.. If he is a pet it is NO BIG DEAL unless it requires surgery to correct.

    We aren't allowed to publically bash breeders (good ones or bad ones). Learning is paramount here on a public board. Yes, people on this board have told where they got their dogs and some of us groan. Some millers and brokers are so well known I kinda wish we could have a list of "beware of these breeders". It won't happen because of the threat of being sued.

    I've been to a lot of shows-- I haven't seen the perfect cavalier yet. We are striving to produce better, healthier dogs.

    I have a beautiful 20# cavalier boy I probably will never breed because he is too big. If I had a male that was 25# I wouldn't breed him either. That is 1.5 times the breed standard. She probably did an AI for all the reasons we all do AI's-- to try to improve what we have. That doesn't make her a saint-- that makes her smart.

    Sorry, I am a bit on edge today-- I apologize in advance if I am too abrupt. Sandy

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodHaven
    People who breed dogs for pets are backyard breeders. People who bred dogs for $$$ are puppymillers- People who breed dogs to improve the breed are hobby breeders. Only hobby breeders tend to go to health seminars have board certified heart, eye and hip exams and possibly MRI their breeding dogs.
    Sorry, I am a bit on edge today-- I apologize in advance if I am too abrupt. Sandy
    Well put Sandy!! When asked why someone wants to breed a Cavalier the first and foremost answer MUST be to better the breed. That's the ONLY acceptable answer.

    We'll let you off the hook for being a little edgy
    Cathy
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    Sandy, thanks for the info!
    Cathy Moon
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