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    We do the first round of vaccinations. The only vacination we cannot give is rabies. Our "Puppy Packet" has a shot record included with it that has all the info on exactly what we gave, the date and the age of the puppy.

    As I said, I have never heard of this kind of an issue before. I hope you have other vets in the area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinsmum
    OMG, I've never heard of a breeder administering vaccines themselves... Is this breeder a vet aswell?

    Or is this regular in the US - I've just never heard of this in the uk - fogive me if I sound a bit thick?!
    WHOA--- breeders give shots ALL THE TIME. THE only shot that should probably be done at a vet is the RABIES. Shots aren't rocket science-- but when a vet can get them for UNDER ONE USDollar a piece and sell them for 12-40 bucks-- well, think about it.

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    The same thing happened to me. I got Brodie when he was 4 months old. The records from his Breeder said that he received "puppy shot #1". The Vet said that he wanted to give them all again from the beginning because he had no way of knowing which shots Brodie had already received. I was naive at the time (Brodie is my first pup) and went along with what the vet said. In retrospect I definitely should have called the breeder and determined which shots were given so that they were not repeated! Brodie did not have soreness or any complications (that I'm aware of) from overvaccinating so I guess we were lucky there. He actually hasn't had any shots since then except for rabies (at 1 yr) and leptospirosis which I probably won't do again. I drive almost 2 hours to a holistic vet in Beaver, PA now for guidance on these issues. He runs a blood titer on distemper and parvo. We were just there a couple of weeks ago and I was surprised that Brodie's levels were still in the protective range (he is almost 2 1/2) so vaccination is not necessary at this time.

    So you are not alone ...this happened to me and I understand your angst. I hope your pup feels better soon...and I agree that you should find a new vet - sounds like yours might be a little hard headed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denise G.
    That's just awful--I would be looking for another vet for sure! I have an issue with vaccinations in general--and the fact that we're pretty much forced to over vaccinate our pets in order to have the groomed, boarded, etc.

    The good news is that the bordatella vaccination is just something the vet squirts up your dog's nose to prevent kennel cough--it's not a shot, at least I've never heard of it being given by injection. It shouldn't be quite as traumatic for your little one.

    Hope he feels better soon...
    Some vets don't use nosodes-- the Bronchicine (bordetella shot), is a set of two shots 2-4 weeks apart.

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    When i got Zack he had had all but the last of his puppy shots, so he needed one more, and also he had not had rabies or bordatella. I took him to my cat's vet and they wanted to give him all those shots on that day, even though i brought him in for bloody diarrhea, they didn't see a problem.

    It's a mindset, traditional, but not up with the latest thinking in veterinary medicine, i don't think. Anyway, i wasn't offered the bordatella nasal spray, only the shot. Because he was sick, i said i wanted to wait and get the shot as soon as he was better and they gave him flagyl for the diarrhea. I had only had him two days.

    A week later the diarrhea had cleared up and i brought him back for his shot. I chose not to get the rabies and bordatella at that time. I believed it was more sensible to not have them all at the same time, and someone i respect had advised me to postpone the rabies as long as possible anyway, a year if possible, though i didn't try to discuss this with the vet. Fortunately the vet did not try to pressure me to go against my judgement on waiting, if she had, i would've found another vet. (I ended up going to other vets anyway, but not because of that).

    Zack's diarrhea returned right after he had his shot. In retrospect, i now believe it was medically a bad decision for me to allow him to have that shot. I should've waited another month to be sure he was well. But at the time, i didn't know what i know now.

    This story of Kingston was painful to read. What i didn't understand was, didn't the breeder provide any documentation of the vaccinations? It seems fine to me for a breeder to vaccinate, but not fine if the breeder doesn't provide documentation so that you can take the dog to groomers and things like that.

    I never did get the bordatella vaccination for Zack because the more i read about it, the more questionable it seemed to me. As he gets older and has been healthy, energetic and strong, from what i've read, he probably would not have a serious case of bordatella if he does get it. I have heard some breeders say that when they've given that vaccination, dogs have gotten kennel cough as a result of the vaccine. I have read the other side of this debate which says that it's just a coincidence that dogs get bordatella right after being vaccinated for it, those dogs were already incubating it and just happened to get it right after the vaccination. Maybe both are true. Maybe dogs were incubating bordatella and the weakening effect of the vaccine on the immunes system allowed the bordatella to become a more symptomatic infection than it would've been.

    I have found that no one has asked me for proof that Zack has had the bordatella vaccination (or any other vaccination!). I'm quite sure though that boarding kennels will require it, they have to because even if it's not a severe infection, they can't allow an epidemic to spread. But i haven't been asked by obedience class trainers or by the groomer.

    I recommend researching the subject of vaccines and being informed because many vets are not up with the most advanced thinking on the subject, as well as alternative views. The following are a few of several sources that have had an influence on my thinking so far.

    The first two links, i believe, have the most hightly educated and research supported veterinary thinking about dog vaccinations--these are the leading veterinary professional organizations:

    http://www.aahanet.org/About_aaha/va...idelines06.pdf

    http://www.avma.org/issues/vaccination/vaccination.asp

    http://www.vetinfo.com/dogvacc.html#...Vaccinate%20My

    http://www.itsfortheanimals.com/NY%2...-%20A14253.htm

    http://www.geocities.com/kremersark/CVC_2002c.html

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    Default It happened to me--as a child!

    This is a famous family story because it shows my character. When I was 6, I was living in Japan in the 1950s. My father was doing business there and the only American school was on a US military base. I was allowed to attend. One day they lined up all the kids. The word spread: it was the dreaded "shot day." We had to get various shots for misc. Asian diseases. I never minded shots much, but I our family went to a private doctor.

    When I got to the nurse, I told her this and she thought I was trying to get out of the shot. I said, "What shot are you giving." The nurse sniffed and replied, 'Paratyphoid."

    I asked, "Part A or Part B?"

    She said "Part B."

    "But I just had that last week and you might make me sick."

    Another nurse grabbed and stabbed.

    An hour later, I vomited on my desk and passed out in the puddle.

    My parents were called and I was quite ill. They were furious.

    Since then, I vowed that no doctor would ever tell me what to do with my body--that I knew best and I taught the same to my kids.

    BTW, my pup got his first 2 shots from the breeder. It is typical in the US and you can buy them easily through catalogs. Vets expect it.

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    Wow! I'm another who's pretty certain that doesn't happen in the UK. I rather think that puppy shots (ie, first vaccs, at least) are combined with a full health check before the pup(s) are sold. Of course, you're still supposed to bring your new pup to your own vet regardless of the pup's vacc and breeder declared status!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa_T
    Wow! I'm another who's pretty certain that doesn't happen in the UK. I rather think that puppy shots (ie, first vaccs, at least) are combined with a full health check before the pup(s) are sold. Of course, you're still supposed to bring your new pup to your own vet regardless of the pup's vacc and breeder declared status!
    remember that in taking the pups to the vet-- you could very well expose them to the deadly disease (a decent argument ). I take mine to the vet-- I HATE stabbing the lil guys.

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    My breeder gave my two their first set of shots and gave me a shot record. There was no problem with my vet. We are over due for a check up and I am still pondering whether or not to do boosters. We had the full set of puppy shots and boosters at one year. We are out and about with other dogs all the time (obedience classes and dog trials) so I am still on the fence. I agree with Woodhaven...I couldn't give those cute little babies a shot! ouch!
    J.

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    Thank you for all the comments. It makes me feel much better to know that many breeders do their own vaccinations. I'm going to contact my breeder and ask her if she can come up with an official shot record for me somehow.

    I promised Kingston that I will NEVER take him back to that vet after what happened last week. Kingston started having a bad case of diarhea so I called the vet for help. I was told "Sorry, we can't see him today." No advice, no nothing. I naively thought this would be a good veterinarian because he's located in the nicest part of the city. Too bad they tried to get me to buy everything under the sun, including a rattlesnake vaccine!!! (I live in an urban apartment!)

    But thanks again for your concern. Kingston is doing much better today! I'm going to search for a vet who does the bordatella through the nose. No more shots for my little guy!

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