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    Just when she had got all better from getting the grass seed in her eardrum she was back at the vets yesterday!! Cookie has been limping on her back legs for a while, and the vet said that its because of her weight. But i took her back to the vets on saturday morning cos she looked in pain (and with cookie she doesn't make any noise when she's in pain so it's dificult to be sure) and they think she has damaged her crucial ligaments in her back leg. So the vet said come back on tuesday and we'll give her a leg and a heart xray (they hought tha she makes a lot of noise but i was tryin to explain that she's usually very noisy anyways)

    So yesterday we went back and dropped her off in the morning then got the results back in the afternoon. The xray on her leg showd that it is her crucial ligaments and they can either do one of two operations, but her chest xray showed that her heart is enlarged Because cookie has been reluctant to go out she has put on weight again, so she's now on a vetinary prescription diet for 3 months, then we are going to see how it goes. The vet also wants to try her on heart tablets for a week and see what her heart is like then because they aren't sure whether her heart is enlarged due to ther murmur, or lack of exercise, or because its working harder.

    the postman came this morning and cookie likes to go meet him to get the post for us, but she heard him and went running to the front door and then started crying and howling so unhappily, i opened the door for her and she just sat outside crying. it breaks your heart cos shes usually soo happy



    My poor little baby though. We've got another appointment next wednesday, the date where we would have had cookie for a year!!!!





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    Your poor little Cookie! (love the name)- I hope that her heart is simply enlarged because of weight or whatever, and not a murmur. How old is she?
    Are you going to get the op- I'd imagine once you know more about the heart situation?

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    she is only five so still young, we have had her since she was four. She has a mild heart murmur, shes going to stay on the vet food for three months and then see where that leads us. Its difficult because the vet said she cant go walkies, she had to stay in house and garden. Hopefully next week we'l have a better idea of whether she needs the heart tablets long term or not. The vet said the weight loss should improve it. she needs to lose 3kg

    I definately recommend insurance for anyone with a cavalier, the past few months would have cost us a bomb if we didnt have it.
    One of the operations is £600 and the other £1800 so we can claim for wotever one we choose.

    I feel so sorry for cookie though, she has been through so much in her life so far and just when she's got happy again and settled this comes up

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    How old is she? Did you get her as an adult or is she only a year old?

    I don't think I'd want to do surgery until I understood a lot more about the state of her heart. Unless she is grossly obeseI don;t think it really should be be enlarged due to being a bit overweight?

    I'd strongly recommend seeing a vet cardiologist immediately. You are seeing some of the weaknesses of a vet -- this is a speciality area and if you want the best chance of a longer life for Cookie you need to get a cardiologist to do the proper tests. The correct approach to treatment can add years to a dog's life even in the more advanced stages of congestive heart failure but this needs a cardio's guidance. A vet will just be doing guesswork. She needs a cardio ausculation right away and probably some of the more comprehensive tests so that even if this is mild right now, you get a baseline reading and can be precise in following any further development. A cardio could look at the same info you have now and probably tell you naby of the things on sight that your vet is wondering about.

    Getting the weight off is really going to be crucial. Don't just feed a reduced calorie diet -- cut way back on the amount you are feeding and elminate all but vegetable or small pieces of fruit as treats. Try feeeding her in a treat ball so she gets some exercise trying to get the food out of the ball, and eats more slowly.

    Read this guide too from one of the most informed people I know on cavalier heart issues.

    http://www.cavaliertalk.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=561

    Having a vet treat potentially serious heart issues is like going to a GP for cancer or coronary treatment. there's a world of difference in seeing a specialist.

    here's a list of vet cardios in the UK

    http://www.vetindex.co.uk/vetindex/cardio_ref.htm

    Or call the Royal Vet College at U of London and ask for a referral.
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    Oh No I could not deal with seeing my baby cry, you have all my sympathy, is there any way you can put a rocket up their bums and make them do something quicker for her pain management ??

    Poor darling, give her a gentle kiss and hug from me.
    Best wishes with it all.
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    She needs to lose 3kg? Heck! Good luck to you getting it off when she can't be exercised much! BTW, people here keep suggesting frozen green beans to add cal-free bulk. I wasn't convinced, but gave it a go- and to my surprise Holly munches them quite happily. That's what I get for being a sceptic.. It's two or three weeks since I started dieting her, and although I don't feel she looks much different, I can feel the difference when I pick her up.

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    I posted just as you were posting so I see she is five. That would be the age at which about half of cavaliers have a heart murmur so I would guess the chance is better than 50/50 that she has a murmur -- unfortunately it is just a fact of life with this lovely breed that the likelihood of a murmur is so high. I don't know if you need a vet reference to see a cardio in order to have insurance cover it -- call your insurance company to find out first I suppose to be sure you go about it in the right way.

    PatB's post will give you lots of background on what to do next and what to expect from a cardio. I certainly would not wait three whole months waiting to see if this is a murmur or an enlarged heart due to weight or not -- you really want to know right away and take the right steps if and as needed to give you many more years with cookie.

    BTW I'd cut the amount you have been feeding at meals in half.
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    thank you for the information, my mum just phoned to see how cookie is and i'v let her know about going to see a specialist. I'll get my dad to phone up the insurance company when he gets in from work. I definately want to try anything to get cookie better. Theres a cardio vet near us as well.

    the vet said to give cookie one tin a day of 'obesity management' by royal canin. we are also giving her no treats, but i might try the green bean things if she gets hungry during the day

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    Oh Tanya,

    Poor Cookie and poor you , she just doesn't deserve this after the life she had before she came to you

    What food does she have? I'll be perfectly honest with you, I have found taht the best food to give them to make them lose weight is Burns dried. Maxx only has 30g twice a day and bits of fruit, veg or now an occasional bit if cried liver as a treat. Thanks to a 'secret feeder' in the shape of hubby, he gained loads of weight and I went mad.

    Maxx only has about a kilo to lose now to get him to a 'perfect weight' and we and the Vets are no longer worried about him.

    Anyway, if Cookie were my baby and I was you I'd ring the insurance company and find out if you need a vet referral to see a cardiologist. Then, ring one of the cardiologists on Karlin's list & book the next appointment I could get. Ring your Vet and tell them what you've done and say the Cardiologist will be ringing for their approval and referral!

    I can't believe that your Vet hasn't already referred her . Has he given her anything for the pain?

    Poor little {{{{{{{{Cookie}}}}}}}} give her a hug and a kiss from me xxxxx

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    oh im so sorry!! i really hope the enlarged heart is due to her weight and not to murmurs too...my neighbour had a cavalier who died from an enlarged heart but i dont know the details so i dont know if they found out too late or something like that..im not saying anything like that would happen to cookie..its good that its caught early..anyway good luck and keep us updated
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