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arasara
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Is there a specific reason that she's not allowed on the couch with you? As you know cavaliers are kind of stuck-on-you dogs and Kosmo loves nothing more than just sitting on the couch and cuddling with us.. .. He's not happy unless he's touching one of us:
If you're intent on having her off the couch I use "OFF" when Kos needs to get down..
If you're intent on having her off the couch I use "OFF" when Kos needs to get down..
i dont want her on because i dont want my sofas scratched & pin holed. Lily has always got 'person' contact weather it be me, hubby or the kids.. shes always getting fussed over. Think i'll just persaver (sp?) with off or down & see how she goes though this time i'm not gonna give in..
Have you taken her to a basic obedience class? She really needs basic grounding in obedience to help you successfully work on some more complex tasks like asking her to not get up on furniture. She needs to learn 'wait', 'off' (NOT 'down' to get off furniture as that confuses it with 'lie down') and also know how to go into a long down=stay. You have to have somewhere for her to go and stay if you are asking her to get off furniture or she will just keep returning -- she won;t understand you want her to do something else BESIDES trying to get up.
I have friends who teach their dogs that they are only allowed on a particular place on furniture, eg to lie on a dog bed on the ofa, or a crate pad. Personally I love having the dogs up by me and these are a lapdog breed -- lap+dog means they need and expect to be up at your level. :lol:
I have friends who teach their dogs that they are only allowed on a particular place on furniture, eg to lie on a dog bed on the ofa, or a crate pad. Personally I love having the dogs up by me and these are a lapdog breed -- lap+dog means they need and expect to be up at your level. :lol:
well we all have our own opinions etc & mine is not to jump on my sofas... i want to keep them decent & cant take the risk of lily chewing them as i'm sure she would have a try.... I sit on the floor with her aswell so i am at her level to....
Funny you should say that karlin as i now put her blanket down near me & tell lily to lie on that so she does most of the time so i guess were getting there... Weve done well with our own obedience teaching as weve stopped her chewing feet & hands. Lie, sit, stay & come... potty trained her to only 1 accident a day & shes only 14 weeks.... not bad for 1st time dog owners....
Funny you should say that karlin as i now put her blanket down near me & tell lily to lie on that so she does most of the time so i guess were getting there... Weve done well with our own obedience teaching as weve stopped her chewing feet & hands. Lie, sit, stay & come... potty trained her to only 1 accident a day & shes only 14 weeks.... not bad for 1st time dog owners....
Lisa_T
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you could try covering part of a sofa with a dog blanket and training her to use that spot only. My grandmother does this with Holly and it has been effective- sofas are saved and dog is happy. If you *MUST* keep Lily off the sofa, I advise you to splash out and get the softest, most luxurious comfy dog bed you can, and put it right in the centre of the living room. If you do that you may find that as long as she is in the centre of activity, she might actually prefer to spend time in her lovely bed. I find Cavaliers are content as long as they are warm and comfy.
Just keep in mind 14 weeks is very, very young to expect a puppy to obey much of anything. They are like small children with very short attention spans. I didn't realise she was still so young; I though she was more like 6 months-plus.
It is better at her age to be managing her with an xpen perhaps then? She will not be able to stay in a down stay for more than a few moments at her age.
There's no big issue about dogs staying off furniture but this may not really have been the best breed to have with those intentions and concerns as they also shed a lot; they have a very inbuilt natural tendency to want to be on laps and laps tend to be at seated level and people seat themselves on furniture. This is not really a behavioural quirk but is actually a *hardwired genetic desire* based on hundreds of years of being used as lap warmers hence the dogs want to be very close and climb up near people and onto laps or next to them on furniture. I've yet to meet anyone who successfully keeps cavaliers off furniture. Putting her in another room to prevent this is really punishing her for being a cavalier.
It is better at her age to be managing her with an xpen perhaps then? She will not be able to stay in a down stay for more than a few moments at her age.
There's no big issue about dogs staying off furniture but this may not really have been the best breed to have with those intentions and concerns as they also shed a lot; they have a very inbuilt natural tendency to want to be on laps and laps tend to be at seated level and people seat themselves on furniture. This is not really a behavioural quirk but is actually a *hardwired genetic desire* based on hundreds of years of being used as lap warmers hence the dogs want to be very close and climb up near people and onto laps or next to them on furniture. I've yet to meet anyone who successfully keeps cavaliers off furniture. Putting her in another room to prevent this is really punishing her for being a cavalier.
Cathy T
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One of the things hubby and I agreed on was no dogs on the furniture. Yeah, right, that went right out the window the first day. Luckily we have leather furniture and neither of mine has ever chewed or scratched on the sofa. The funny thing is that they both have their own chosen spots on the sofa. I've put a blanket on the love seat and Jake has chosen the arm of the loveseat as his spot. When we have visitors who sit in his spot he will stare at them. I explain what's going on and tell Jake to go lay in his bed. He's fine with that. But the minute the person moves he's right to his spot. We also have a blanket on our sofa and Shelby is always at the far end.
murphy's mum
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I couldn't agree MORE! Your Cavi only wants to be as close as possible to you. Did you not research into the breed before getting her? As has been previously mentioned they really are lap dog, mine is never happier than when he's on mine.Karlin said:I've yet to meet anyone who successfully keeps cavaliers off furniture. Putting her in another room to prevent this is really punishing her for being a cavalier.
Please, please don't put her in another room, she will not understand why. Surely you could buy a throw to cover your couch. My boy has never ever attempted to chew at my couch, kitchen cabinets yes, but not the couch icon_whistling
murphys mum
yes i did loads & loads of research into this breed prior to getting her & if you could kindly re read my post i said other than put her in another room.... not that i did. Meaning when i want to sit & relax & drink a cuppa ... i have done well with lily upto now & am not some kind of wicked witch i seem to be getting made out to be..... i am asking for advice not to be slangged at.... i see nothing wrong with wanting to keep my sofas as new. Why should i let them get scratched & chewed then have to put throws on them which will make my room untidy. Just coz you get a dog, does not mean you have to let them wreck your furniture or take a chance they will. Lily is happy just because she cant have her own way always dosent mean shes any less loved than anyones here.. bit dicipline goes a long way....
yes i did loads & loads of research into this breed prior to getting her & if you could kindly re read my post i said other than put her in another room.... not that i did. Meaning when i want to sit & relax & drink a cuppa ... i have done well with lily upto now & am not some kind of wicked witch i seem to be getting made out to be..... i am asking for advice not to be slangged at.... i see nothing wrong with wanting to keep my sofas as new. Why should i let them get scratched & chewed then have to put throws on them which will make my room untidy. Just coz you get a dog, does not mean you have to let them wreck your furniture or take a chance they will. Lily is happy just because she cant have her own way always dosent mean shes any less loved than anyones here.. bit dicipline goes a long way....
judy
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I got Zack when he was 16 weeks old and i had decided there was one sofa he couldn't go on, the dark blue soft flanel-like slip cover one, the slip cover can only be dry cleaned and i don't like dry cleaning fluid, so, i didn't want the hairs shed on that one. I never expected that he would chew it or put holes in it, just shedding.
The cat isn't allowed on it either. Why they obey me on that, i'll never know. I guess the cat just has other places that satisfy her, but she liked the sofa, so i dont' know.
When i got zack, i also got a book called Puppy Preschool, and the author said to use the word "nhaaah" when redirecting a puppy because he said you should use behavior similar to a mother dog, when socializing a young pre-training puppy, and mother dogs, he said, tell puppies to stop doing things by going "nhaaah." I used it for everything, i was so surprised when i first started doing it that it really worked. I've had dogs in the past and always used "NO." "nhaaah" worked way more consistently, immediately, whereas 'no' didn't seem to be understood at first. Interesting.
I said nhaah when he thought my tennis shoe was another one of his dog toys and he began to mouth it, and he never touched any of my shoes again. these results are way beyond my expectations. The only behavior it didn't work on was zack running up to the cat and bonking her and sniffing/licking her butt. His urge to do that was way too strong.
But it did get him to get off the blue sofa and stay off. Even when i occasionally lay on it, he won't try to get on. Normally i sit in a reclining chair and he can get up there all he wants, which he only does when i'm on it, so he's in my lap. but he usually lays on the love seat. I have been surprised that he learned this right from the start. He really wanted to go on the sofa, but he also seemed to want to do what i said. i don't ever find white hairs on it, so i assume he doesn't go on it when i'm not home.
But then when he was about 8 months old, he suddenly got really sick, it was so scary, he suddenly changed from playing and running around to just laying all day. He would get up to walk and would go a couple of steps and lay back down. He was scratching and rubbing his face, but otherwise, he didnt' do anything. He appeared depressed and as if he felt very bad. He did have a good appetite, but didn't readily walk to where the food and water were--the main problem seemed to be with walking around. I theorized that he might be dizzy or faint, or extremely weak, it happened overnight. He was like that for three days and then skin lesions came and the diagnosis was pyoderma and he started improving after that.
But on the first two days of it, i had to work, so i had to leave him. I left him in the living room where he would be most comfortable. The thing is, after all those months of not going on the blue sofa, when he got that sickness, he ONLY wanted to be on the blue sofa, and he acted as if he had never learned not to go on it. At first i tried to redirect him, but he ignored me, and at the same time, he was so sick, i chose to let him do it and deal with the consequences later. I put a sheet over it. And he stayed there constantly. A few days later when he was acting more happy and active, i started saying "nhaaah" again about the sofa and he readily accepted going back to how it was before. he stopped going on it.
Zack never showed any interest in biting any furniture except the rockers on the wooden rocking chair, i sprayed bitter yuk on it and went 'nhaah' and he stoppd. he never bit cloth upholstery. My cat used to claw the slipcovers of the love seat and sofa, she really shredded the one on the love seat, but it looks ok after trimming off the threads. But, so, i got this two sided clear sticky wide tape that's used for this purpose, and put the tape over the areas she liked to scratch, and it stopped the scratching very effectively. she didn't like that stickiness. Maybe this would work with dogs biting too? It doesn't show unless you're looking for it, it's clear.
i have pretty much despaired of persuading zack not to jump up toward peoples' laps whether they're standing or sitting. The breed was bred to be inclined to merge with people, like karlin said, this is how they are supposed to be, people bred them for this, telling them they're not supposed to doen't make sense to them. i've worked with zack on not jumping up on people when they stop to pet him when we're out, and he tries not to at first, but i can see his little inbred inclination coming through so powerfully and the more they pet and say "you are nice doggie" and stuff like that, the more the urge builds up, and then he kind of starts putting his front paws up. and saying nhaah or anything doesn't penetrate his brain well. it's a very hard one for him to get.
good luck with adapting your lily, she sounds fun.
The cat isn't allowed on it either. Why they obey me on that, i'll never know. I guess the cat just has other places that satisfy her, but she liked the sofa, so i dont' know.
When i got zack, i also got a book called Puppy Preschool, and the author said to use the word "nhaaah" when redirecting a puppy because he said you should use behavior similar to a mother dog, when socializing a young pre-training puppy, and mother dogs, he said, tell puppies to stop doing things by going "nhaaah." I used it for everything, i was so surprised when i first started doing it that it really worked. I've had dogs in the past and always used "NO." "nhaaah" worked way more consistently, immediately, whereas 'no' didn't seem to be understood at first. Interesting.
I said nhaah when he thought my tennis shoe was another one of his dog toys and he began to mouth it, and he never touched any of my shoes again. these results are way beyond my expectations. The only behavior it didn't work on was zack running up to the cat and bonking her and sniffing/licking her butt. His urge to do that was way too strong.
But it did get him to get off the blue sofa and stay off. Even when i occasionally lay on it, he won't try to get on. Normally i sit in a reclining chair and he can get up there all he wants, which he only does when i'm on it, so he's in my lap. but he usually lays on the love seat. I have been surprised that he learned this right from the start. He really wanted to go on the sofa, but he also seemed to want to do what i said. i don't ever find white hairs on it, so i assume he doesn't go on it when i'm not home.
But then when he was about 8 months old, he suddenly got really sick, it was so scary, he suddenly changed from playing and running around to just laying all day. He would get up to walk and would go a couple of steps and lay back down. He was scratching and rubbing his face, but otherwise, he didnt' do anything. He appeared depressed and as if he felt very bad. He did have a good appetite, but didn't readily walk to where the food and water were--the main problem seemed to be with walking around. I theorized that he might be dizzy or faint, or extremely weak, it happened overnight. He was like that for three days and then skin lesions came and the diagnosis was pyoderma and he started improving after that.
But on the first two days of it, i had to work, so i had to leave him. I left him in the living room where he would be most comfortable. The thing is, after all those months of not going on the blue sofa, when he got that sickness, he ONLY wanted to be on the blue sofa, and he acted as if he had never learned not to go on it. At first i tried to redirect him, but he ignored me, and at the same time, he was so sick, i chose to let him do it and deal with the consequences later. I put a sheet over it. And he stayed there constantly. A few days later when he was acting more happy and active, i started saying "nhaaah" again about the sofa and he readily accepted going back to how it was before. he stopped going on it.
Zack never showed any interest in biting any furniture except the rockers on the wooden rocking chair, i sprayed bitter yuk on it and went 'nhaah' and he stoppd. he never bit cloth upholstery. My cat used to claw the slipcovers of the love seat and sofa, she really shredded the one on the love seat, but it looks ok after trimming off the threads. But, so, i got this two sided clear sticky wide tape that's used for this purpose, and put the tape over the areas she liked to scratch, and it stopped the scratching very effectively. she didn't like that stickiness. Maybe this would work with dogs biting too? It doesn't show unless you're looking for it, it's clear.
i have pretty much despaired of persuading zack not to jump up toward peoples' laps whether they're standing or sitting. The breed was bred to be inclined to merge with people, like karlin said, this is how they are supposed to be, people bred them for this, telling them they're not supposed to doen't make sense to them. i've worked with zack on not jumping up on people when they stop to pet him when we're out, and he tries not to at first, but i can see his little inbred inclination coming through so powerfully and the more they pet and say "you are nice doggie" and stuff like that, the more the urge builds up, and then he kind of starts putting his front paws up. and saying nhaah or anything doesn't penetrate his brain well. it's a very hard one for him to get.
good luck with adapting your lily, she sounds fun.
Maxxs_Mummy
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Personally, I can't see that you are being 'slangged at'. The others are just trying to explain that Cavaliers are lap dogs and are genetically programmed to lie on sofas :lol:
I'm not 'slangging you' whatever that means.... but, why get a Cavalier if you don't want it on the furniture? Maybe a small clawless dog that doesn't moult would have been better.
I personally couldn't imagine sitting down of an evening without a dog or two on my lap. Incidentally, my furniture is not scratched, chewed, dirty, smelly or anything else. We bought leather sofas and wooden furniture and also had wooden floors laid so that the dogs would be as much at home as we are.
If you are that bothered about her getting on the sofas then send her to me, there's plenty of room on my sofas and bed for her :lol:
I'm not 'slangging you' whatever that means.... but, why get a Cavalier if you don't want it on the furniture? Maybe a small clawless dog that doesn't moult would have been better.
I personally couldn't imagine sitting down of an evening without a dog or two on my lap. Incidentally, my furniture is not scratched, chewed, dirty, smelly or anything else. We bought leather sofas and wooden furniture and also had wooden floors laid so that the dogs would be as much at home as we are.
If you are that bothered about her getting on the sofas then send her to me, there's plenty of room on my sofas and bed for her
:lol:
judy
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sara--CUTE photo of kosmo, thanks! :flwr:
lily's mom--imo you have the right to set the rules in your home, of course, and certainly dogs need discipline, especially puppies. just wondering, has lily shown any tendency to bite the upholstery? i don't think i've ever heard of a dog doing this, though i'm sure it can happen, but i think it's rare and would be considered a behavior problem, not a normal developmental kind of chewing,. you said you are a new dog owner, so i want to mention this FYI, usually i think biting upholstery is not one of their vices, but wooden stuff, yes. and of course, there are always exceptions to generalizations. please don't misunderstand, i'm not saying this to disagree with your sofa policy. I just didn't catch whether you said she has shown this sofa biting behavior yet and was wondering.
good luck with your adventure.
lily's mom--imo you have the right to set the rules in your home, of course, and certainly dogs need discipline, especially puppies. just wondering, has lily shown any tendency to bite the upholstery? i don't think i've ever heard of a dog doing this, though i'm sure it can happen, but i think it's rare and would be considered a behavior problem, not a normal developmental kind of chewing,. you said you are a new dog owner, so i want to mention this FYI, usually i think biting upholstery is not one of their vices, but wooden stuff, yes. and of course, there are always exceptions to generalizations. please don't misunderstand, i'm not saying this to disagree with your sofa policy. I just didn't catch whether you said she has shown this sofa biting behavior yet and was wondering.
good luck with your adventure.
Joanne M
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Before I got Tucker, my house was my baby. As a first-time home owner I was so proud of finally owning a home. I enthusiastically decorated, and spent long hours selecting each item that went into my house, including brand new furniture for the living room. I agonized over the placement of each item in the living room, kitchen and dining area. Often moving things, a fraction of an inch at a time so everything was perfect (yes, I'm a virgo). I loved my house, but it did not become a home until I got Tucker. So in spite of the damage he's done (none to any furniture) by chewing on the doorway moldings, and finding his hair, just about everywhere, I wouldn't have it any other way. I have however, covered the living room furniture with fleece blankets, that I whisk off just before company arrives. I keep a lint brush handy too. I've been lucky that Tucker has not chewed on any furniture. He's stopped chewing on the molding too, I believe it was just a phase in his puppy days.
murphy's mum
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Hee, hee Judy, what is it about a laptop. Murphy can be snoozing elsewhere, but as soon as my laptop comes out there he is, it's as if to say 'No this is my lap!' :rotfl:judy said:here's a photo of zack in my lap on the reclining chair, displacing the laptop from its intended position.