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    Hello, I haven't been around for quite a while but a friend suggested i come on to discuss my immediate problem...

    As you know Max has being confronted with varied problems in his short life, he is now nearly 3, he was not at teh vets from last July till February, its the longest he has gone without medication, and was doing really well.

    however he developed this cough so i brought him down when i was bringing Cloe for her Knee operation [her knee was slipping out of its joint and she was crying when it did so had to be secured, she is still recovering and has yet to get teh stitches out, Monday i think]

    anyway... the vet went to pull Max and noticed his pulse was not quite right, so he listened and was concerned, he then did a heart trace but there was no paper do he could just get a record and as you probably know a Cav's heart should beat between 120 and 130 beats per minute, my Max was beating at just 49, which dropped yesterday to 45, Syd [my Vet] sent him to a cardiac specialist for teh heart trace and xray, and he spoke to us after showing us the results, it was obvious this was serious, and i was to ring Syd this morning to discuss the measurements.

    Max has heart failure, and he is esentially drowning as the heart cannot beat quick enough to clear his lungs of the fluid, i was told this is NOT the heart desiese cav's suffer from but rather possibly addissions desiese, which i am going to research now. he said his hear is firing but not correctly and he needs a pace maker, which is an operation he has never done. so i do not know if he is suggesting he will do it or Max will be sent to the specialist to do it... but they said he could be given medication to speed up his hear, but the specialist is quite negative on these atually having any possitive affect.

    He has the runs, is coughing really badly cant seem to breadth, and is very listless...

    my heart is breaking as what do i do... can any one please help me... oh the heart is also enlarged and we do not know if he is in pain... i asked the vet what he woudl do and he siad he really didnt know. Max has suffered so much already....

    is it time to call it, to give up? or do we put him through this very dangerous operation adn see what happens??

    any advise or thoughts anything... please

    Fidelma
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    Oh My Goodness I am so sorry to hear about Max ***HUGZ***

    TBH I have absolutely zero knowledge about this type of thing but I do want to say that I hope Max is able to pull through and will be alright.

    Did the vet check to see if it was Addison's disease?? Are you still feeding his regular food?? A lot of people on here say that boiled chicken and rice is supposed to help with the upset tummies. If he has addison's disease at least there is treatment available.. ..

    Hopefully someone else will chime in soon for you ... Keep your head up and think positive
    Sara, mommy to Kosmo ~ 4 year blenheim boy and Faith 3 year b/t girl *rescue*

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    yes they are mentioning Addisons deliese alright, but as i said he need a pace maker.. doing some research on addisons now
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    Hi Fi,

    So sorry to hear that poor little Max is suffering once again . Can I get this straight in my head? The Vets think he has Addisons and he needs a pacemaker?

    This is where I am confused as Addison's disease affects the adrenal glands which are just above the kidneys. These glands make the hormones that help the body relate to stress. In turn this regulates your water, salt and blood pressure too.

    It can be fatal if left untreated but I have never heard of it causing the heart to swell so is this another separate problem that Maxx has or is it because the water in the body has gotten so out of control that it is pushing against his heart and causing it to swell? OR has the problem been caused by extremely high blood pressure over a period of time?

    I think that I would speak to the specialist again to get everything totally clear. Could treatment possibly save Max's life and if it could then what sort of quality of life would he have afterwards? Also, would it lengthen his life span or could there be complications? What are the odds of complications?

    I'm not trying to baffle you here but I think these are questions that you should be asking the specialist. If you can't get hold of the specialist then could your vet answer them for you?

    It seems very unfair that they have left you in this situation over the weekend & I really hope you can get some answers quickly. If your Vet is telling you he doesn't know what he would do then try asking him 'If Max was your dog then what would you do?' I have always got a very honest answer when I have put this question to my own vet. It's not always the answer that I have wanted to hear but I do trust my Vet implicitly.

    Take care Fi and hope you get some answers and quickly.

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    I have no idea of the protocol for dogs, but for congestive heart failure in humans they prescribe diuretics to help clear the fluids out and permit the heart to function more normally. Was that mentioned?
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    We did look at alot of stuff on Addison's when our Duffy was having an issue. Here's a few links. Have you seen a cardiologist yet?

    http://www.addisondogs.com/addisons/whatis.html

    http://www.vetinfo.com/dencyclopedia/deaddisons.html

    http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/clientED/addisons.asp
    Molly and Murphy (tri), Katie (ruby), Casey (B/T),Spike the wonder pup (tri), Suzie (tri) and Penny (blen)

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    My sister's cat Bandit lived for a few years with congestive heart failure. He took daily medication, a few times a day, if I recall and periodically his lungs were drained of fluid. He had to have ultrasound tests done every two or three months. He was finally pts, however, before that, he did not seem to be in much distress. He lived with me for 6 months after my sister relocated.

    My father also suffers from congestive heart failure and as Pat said in her comment it is related to the fact that his kidneys are not fully functioning. My father has had a pacemaker installed. Since my father is a very proud and independent man I'm not completely aware of all of his medical history and diagnosis, as he does not like to talk about his health problems.

    I'm very sorry for this very serious condition in a dog so young as Max. I'm sorry for your obvious sadness and dilemma about knowing what is best for him. Please know you have our support and prayers.
    Mum to Tucker, born May 14, 2005

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    WOW thank you all so much for your kind words and help....

    let me address each question...

    Max went off his food but i changed it from teh dry red mills to canned pedigree chum, and he is eating that, i dont like it as a food but anything to get him to eat.

    As i am not sure yet on what addisons desiese is i will tell you what teh vet said to me, it is related to addisons desiese but his heart is swollen and his lungs are filled with fluid, he is on a dioretic which doesnt seem to be doing naything, he is also on antibiotics and a powder put on his tounge to dry out the lungs, he is also on predislone for his other illness,

    he heart isnt firing correctly and although it is firing which they said is good, it is firing sufficently to make the heart pump

    if they replace this pacemaker they said they cannot guarantee it will improve and think it MAY help, i did say to my vet what would he do if this was his dog and he got a bit upset as he knowns Max so well and loves him... he said he didnt know, he said he would "possibly" try the medication and the operation, but he too wonders has Max had enough.

    going to have a family meeting tongiht about this and see what my children think...

    the dioretics are not halping and the heart is too enlarged for it to return to normal at all... they have said the operation may not work, they also do not think medication will improve the situation and we still have the problem of the lungs...

    In Ireland [for those reading this who are not here] i am finding the local veterinary clinics very limited... in both thier knowledge and thier equipment, they do not get the volume of patience with such illnesses to warrent having the equipment there.

    i want to make the right decision, and i do not want to put him to sleep if it can be avoided, like any owner it would break my heart and the heart of 3 children and everyone else involved...

    i have to ring the vet at 11 tomorrow morning to tell him what i want to do.. but the specialist is giving my vet the impression there is no hope... my vet knows me very well and i think he is afraid for me... if you understand, it must be very hard to tell an owner that thier pet needs to be let go.. i certainly woudlnt like to do it... god this is hard, but thank you all for your kind words......
    thanks

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    sorry forgot to say Max is also Fitting, it started 2 weeks ago and lasted 2 days then stopped, the vet had me monitoring it and him he did not notice the irregular heart then, he now feels the fits were a direct result of the heart not getting enough oxygen around the blood, but on reading teh articles i do not see a connection between addisons and his heart problem so like you i am confused now too... think i need to write down some questions...
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    I am so sorry that you are going through all of this. Max is very lucky to have a family that cares deeply about him and loves him so. I hope things work out for all of you. Such a tough decision to make.
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