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    While it may seem insane to me, I seem to remember reading somewhere information about how, in the past, it was standard (or at least not unusual) to dock a cavalier's tail similar to a cocker's. Thankfully, this practice is less common today, but I was surprised to see a cavalier puppy in my obedience class Monday night with a docked tail!

    In talking with the owner, she was not even aware that cavaliers ever had tails! (She's young and inexperienced with dogs). She said the dog's mother didn't have a tail either, so she though a stub tail was natural!

    Does anyone know more of the history of tail docking in cavaliers? What's the general practice now?
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    What a shame. Cavalier tails wag like flags. I've never seen a Cavalier with a docked tail before.

    New laws in England and Wales:
    "As from April 2007 it will be illegal to dock puppies' tails (other than for therapeutic reasons or if a breeder can submit evidence to a Veterinary Surgeon that the dog is of a specified type to be used for work, rescue, armed forces, police, pest control)."

    Scotland:
    "As from 30 April 2007 it will be illegal to dock puppies' tails in Scotland (other than for therapeutic reasons) or to travel across borders to have them docked. "

    rah rah!
    Last edited by mishmosh; 6th June 2007 at 04:30 PM.

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    The lady who bred Monty used to dock , until the rise against it about 15 years ago.

    Are you sure the dog wasn't a King Charles, as they are usually docked ? This is partly to disguise the fact that some are born with kinks in their tales. Angela (AT) will tell you more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbara Nixon View Post
    The lady who bred Monty used to dock , until the rise against it about 15 years ago.

    Are you sure the dog wasn't a King Charles, as they are usually docked ? This is partly to disguise the fact that some are born with kinks in their tales. Angela (AT) will tell you more.
    The owner registered the dog in the class as a cavalier, and while they can be very similar in appearance, it looks more like a cav than a charlie. I'm sure I'll find out more at next week's class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbara Nixon View Post
    The lady who bred Monty used to dock , until the rise against it about 15 years ago.

    Are you sure the dog wasn't a King Charles, as they are usually docked ? This is partly to disguise the fact that some are born with kinks in their tales. Angela (AT) will tell you more.
    Even owners dont always know the difference , there was a charlie advertised on one of the puppy sites recently as a cavalier.

    I once saw a cav at the vets with a docked tail ,looked very odd , but it had had cancer so was docked to remove the tumor

    I was reading an old article ( around 1900 )about the fashion for docked tails & how they had always had long plumed tails in the past.
    I assume docking came about with the introduction of kinked tails in the king charles & continued in cavaliers because the breeders were used to it & some cavaliers would have had kinks too ( we had a rescue cav with a kink a couple of years ago)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mishmosh View Post

    New laws in England and Wales:
    "As from April 2007 it will be illegal to dock puppies' tails (other than for therapeutic reasons or if a breeder can submit evidence to a Veterinary Surgeon that the dog is of a specified type to be used for work, rescue, armed forces, police, pest control)."

    Scotland:
    "As from 30 April 2007 it will be illegal to dock puppies' tails in Scotland (other than for therapeutic reasons) or to travel across borders to have them docked. "

    rah rah!
    the theraputic reasons bit is the part that confuses me

    the kennel club site has this information

    Q: In my breed, kinked and screwed tails are relatively common and are usually docked as they can result in injury later in life. Will I be allowed to continue to dock these dogs?

    A : No. It will be against the law to dock any dog ‘except for medical reasons’ no matter whether the tail is kinked or malformed in any way. If an injury occurs then a veterinary surgeon would be at liberty to amputate the tail.
    ...............

    I take this to mean that if a puppy is born with a very badly kinked tail ( some are as bad as cork screw or z shaped) you will have to wait until its older & in agony to warrant having its tail amputated under an anisthetic ? ( not a nice op )
    ( or have it put to sleep at birth which I would find a heart breaking choice to make if I ever bred )

    Don't get me wrong I don't like docking at all but I know from experience in some cases it is needed for the dogs welfare.
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    I've just noticed that I typed dog's tale ! Yesterday I typed over their. Goodness, I do know which version of the spellings to use but my brain tells my fingers to type the wrong one. A bit like my sister-in-law, on her first driving test (which she failed), driving at a car the examiner mentioned, just to warn her.
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    From the CKCSC breed standard:

    [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Tail:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Set so as to be carried level with the back. Tail should be in constant, characteristic motion when dog is in action. Docking: Docking is optional, but whether or not the tail is docked, it must balance the body. If docked, the tail must not be cut too short; two-thirds is the absolute minimum to be left on the body, and the tails of broken-colored dogs should always be docked to leave a white tip.[/SIZE][/FONT]


    I can't imagine docking a Cavalier's tail. Besides considering it cruel, the tail is one of the features that adds to the beauty of a Cavalier. I don't ever recall seing a docked tail on a Cavalier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce H View Post

    I can't imagine docking a Cavalier's tail. Besides considering it cruel, the tail is one of the features that adds to the beauty of a Cavalier. I don't ever recall seing a docked tail on a Cavalier.
    I agree. I think many of us are surprised that the standard hasn't been ammended.
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    Even if AKC still permits docked cavaliers to compete in breed competitions, you would think that the breeder (if at all decent) would at least ask the potential owner if s/he wanted the tail docked. I'm not a breeder, so this could be a completely naive thought.

    Perhaps the breeder's line has kinked tails, and rather than breeding it out, simply docks?

    My curiosity is peeked; I'll have to find out more next Monday!!
    Cindy
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