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is this cruelty or ignorance

that is a disgrace i would defo report this women it makes me sick i so understand how u are fuming i would be to!
 
Oh my god, just seen this posting now, that poor dog, I would report that woman straight away, she shouldnt be allowed have dogs, she obviously doesnt have a clue how to care for them! Please post pictures of her in a few weeks so we can see how the poor baby is doing :(
 
UGH... the poor dogs!! Mange is transmittable to humans. I hope everyone who had contact with this dog properly sanitized their hands and feet after handling it. There are two different kinds of mange; one is fairly easy to treat the other is not; I can't remember which is which, now. Anyone know which kind this dog has?

I know exactly what Sandy is talking about with "farm dog mentality." (Heck, it could even be me that used the term!!) Where I grew up, that's the mentality that most people have concerning their dogs. The dogs are considered somewhere between a farm hand and a farm animal. The animal provides a service on the farm; if it does its job well, it gets fed. If not, the animal generally dies due to any number of reasons (gets run over, killed by coyotes or cougars, or is shot for killing a chicken, etc). My own father had this mentality until we overruled him in the family and brought our lab/shepherd mix to live inside. HORRORS Literally, if you treat your dog any better than this, people think you're stupid or worse. My parents, who live in town, had a raccoon eating the corn out of their garden. The standard advice they received from folks was to make their dog (12 year old lab/shepherd who has arthritis, deafness, and blindness) sleep out in the garden to scare away the coon. My mother's negative response to the idea resulted in eye rolls and whispers.

On another topic:

Even though I havent dealt with a lot of owners giving up their dogs to rescues, I did deal with Holly's original owners. They are NOT farm people. They had Holly and a young lab living with them in their home. From Holly's behavior, she seems to have been spoiled without being taught any manners. However, at the time I collected her, she was 11 months old, she had never been to a vet, not even for a rabies shot. When I registered shock, the owner said, "but we love her to death; she hasnt been neglected. she doesn't go outside at all, so she's not at risk for anything."

So apparently, health checkups, vaccinations, and exercise are not necessary for dogs and a dog is not neglected if an owner fails to provide them. Needless to say, the first thing Holly got to do was visit our vet. She's now getting treatment for coccidia.
 
Be sure they know about Dry EYe/Curly Coat Syndrome in cavaliers. This is from Rod Russell's website. It is possible that the scabby lesions are associated with this:

Curly Coat -- Rough Coat Syndrome in Cavalier King Charles Spaniels

A rarer but far more severe form of dry eye syndrome in some Cavalier puppies is a combination of dry eye and a congenital skin condition called "curly coat" or "rough coat" syndrome (ichthyosis keratoconjunctivitis sicca). The reference to a curly or rough coat comes from the unusually curly abnormality of the Cavalier's coat which is apparent at birth. However, the puppy also suffers from an extreme version of dry eye, and as the affected dog matures, it develops a deterioration of the skin which results in seborrhea, consisting of skin inflammation and excessive oiliness. Also, the dog's teeth, gums, and other connective tissues may be adversely affected. The form of dry eye associated with curly coat also is rare in that it is of congenital origin.

In cases of curly coat (rough coat) syndrome, nearly continuous daily care, including very frequent medicinal bathing, is required to treat the skin condition, as well as applying the eye medications. In a 2003 study reported by Dr. Keith C. Barnett, OBE MA PhD BSc DVOphthal FRCVS DIpECVO, European Specialist in Veterinary Ophthalmology, the dry eye condition of curly coat dogs may be so severe that cyclosporine therapy is ineffective, and the skin condition progresses into severe lesions. In a September 2006 paper, Dr. Barnett reported that successful treatment of the skin condition is not possible, although there can be some improvement in the dry eye condition.

Dr. Barnett reported that the need for constant care of the eyes and skin may lead breeders to resort to early euthanasia of the affected puppies as the only humane result, to avoid the dogs suffering from lifetimes of extreme discomfort and permanent eye damage.

No cases of the combination of dry eye syndrome and curly coat syndrome have been reported in any other breed. Studies have been conducted in the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, Sweden, the Czech Republic, and Iceland. It is believed to be due to a simple autosomal recessive gene. If so, then affected puppies are more likely to be found in cases of line breeding or inbreeding on carrier bloodlines. During a two year period recently in Iceland, more than half of many litters of Cavalier puppies were born affected by the syndrome. The disorder may be more widespread than previously believed as more owners and veterinarians become aware of its symptoms.
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More info including reseach references:

http://www.cavalierhealth.org/dry_eye.htm

Hopefully they will pinpoint something else but they need to be aware of this possibility.
 
wow that is sad. :( The poor dog barely has any hair left :(

I don't know what to say other than this woman may need someone of authority to sort her out
 
From what I've learned recently, it would appear (as Angela said) that the puppy farmers themselves think they care for their 'stock' very well, ie the dogs.

I admire anyone that gets these dogs out of bad situations when they can.
 
ooh that looks sore :(
we had a dog with a similar skin condition , maybe not quiet as bad , a local puppyfarmer had sort of "repossessed " it from their partner & brought it half way across the country for us.
His dogs wern't good either( he sold pups at 4 weeks old ! )but he was still very annoyed about the state of the dog & went to the effort of getting it for us.
I really don't understand how their minds work i'm afraid
 
OMG I wish I hadn't looked - that poor wee mite :(

What is the matter with these people??? I wish we could do the same to them and see how they like it...

Thank goodness she is safe now - bless you for taking her in.
 
Good God, Ivomec should NOT be used on dogs or cats, it's a cattle/sheep wormer and could actually kill a dog or cat. It CAN be used on rabbits in very small doses ( I use it on my bunnies, it's prescribed by my vet for them) but should never ever be used on dogs or cats. It's no wonder the poor dog has such bad skin, the ivomec has probably made it a hundred times worse.

Some people are just so stupid aren't they.

Hope the poor doggy recovers well now that it is in good hands. I take it the farmers won't be having it back? I certainly hope not.

Alison
 
alibunnylady said:
Good God, Ivomec should NOT be used on dogs or cats, it's a cattle/sheep wormer and could actually kill a dog or cat. It CAN be used on rabbits in very small doses ( I use it on my bunnies, it's prescribed by my vet for them) but should never ever be used on dogs or cats. It's no wonder the poor dog has such bad skin, the ivomec has probably made it a hundred times worse.

Some people are just so stupid aren't they.

Hope the poor doggy recovers well now that it is in good hands. I take it the farmers won't be having it back? I certainly hope not.

Alison
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Ivermectin is given to dogs all the time-- Heartgard. Different doses of Ivomec kills different parasites at different doses, heartworm preventitive, heartworm treatments and mite infestation. It has to be given diluted in a solution.
 
It is used for dogs but in the US actually is not legal for some purposes in dogs -- but lots of places there will prescribe it anyway. Rescues sometimes use it as it is cheaper to get in bulk. This is from a discussion elsewhere:

Don't use Ivomec as heartworm preventative for dogs

Ivermectin is the active ingredient in Heartgard, a prescription heartworm preventative for dogs. It is also the ingredient in Ivomec, a large animal wormer available at feed stores over the counter.

This has led some people to try to save money on the purchase price, and to avoid paying for heartworm testing, by purchasing the large animal Ivomec for their dogs. There are three reasons why this is a bad idea.

1. This practice is the number one cause of ivermectin toxicity in dogs**. This is because Ivomec is much, much more concentrated than Heartgard. Even if you are trained in administering medicine, it is very easy to give your dog too much. Think how you would feel if you poisoned your dog trying to save a buck.

2. Federal law* prohibits vets from telling you to use Ivomec this way. This means, you are probably not getting annual HW testing done on your dog--and annual testing is a good idea, because no preventative is perfect, especially when imperfect (read: human) pet owners are administering it.

3. Heartgard comes with a warranty. If you are getting Heartgard from your vet, and you are annually testing, the manufacturer will pay for the costs of treatment if your dog develops heartworm (as of the time of this writing). There is no such warranty on Ivomec.

*AMDUCA, the Animal Medical Drug Use Clarification Act. This is a widely misunderstood law, even by vets, but it prohibits veterinarians from using an off label drug when the active ingredient already exists in a labelled drug for that purpose in that species. It's not widely enforced in small animal medicine, but it is federal law, nonetheless.

**Information obtained from the American Association of Veterinary Toxicologists.

(I am not a licensed veterinarian. I possess an Associate of Applied Science degree in Veterinary Technology)
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Veterinarypartner.com notes Ivomectin/Ivomec as a treatments in appropriate amounts for mange but also notes it is not legal for it to be used for this purpose. Lots of rescue do get it for this use though and many vets will prscribe it nonetheless. It is known to be potentially lethal for collies though.

Full info: http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=1586&S=4&SourceID=61

Given the general ignorance of the people who owned that cavalier I don't imagine they'd have been the best judge of dosages! :shock:
 
Yes, that is why I didn't explain what solution it is mixed with to make a proper dosage. I know someone who overdosed their dogs because they weren't good with math--- gave her dogs 10X's the needed dosage.
 
That's the hard bit as there are generally some decimal places in the solution leveland there's a big difference between a .1% solution and a .01% solution. I'd be scared at getting the wrong mixture level!
 
That's right; if you've ever had scabies :yikes you may well have been dosed with it. If you've ever had them -- and there was a year when they seemed to be going around when I kept getting them -- you can pick them up off even a handtowel someone else has used... or a mangy dog! -- you can understand how the poor dogs scratch out half their coat. :shock:
 
this is what my vet injected Coco with the other night.If Coco skin is not improved next week i have to bring him back for another shot.
 
those who know me will tell you I am not easly shocked or scared

BUT my god that pic made my heart jump thats neglect in the highest form IMPO
 
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