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    I've just returned today from spending 3 days at Ohio State University with Geordie and India. Geordie took part in the PSOM study, and India will probably join the study in February.

    I'm feeling heartbroken because I found out on Thursday that Geordie's heart murmur has increased to grade 3 (it was grade 1 in Aug 2007). Then yesterday they found a syrinx in C1-C2, mild hydrocephalus, and bilateral PSOM. He had the myringotomy/middle ear flush surgical procedure yesterday for PSOM and came through that well.

    The neurologist found the syrinx in Geordie's CT scan, which usually doesn't happen. But they told me it is a syrinx, so we don't need an MRI to confirm it. I have been suspecting SM, as Geordie has been having symptoms: scratching at the left side of his neck and sometimes twisting to the left while walking (as though he wants to stop and scratch.) OSU has a new neurologist, so I will call her next week to discuss medications. (She also knows about Charlie, so I will discuss his meds too)

    Geordie had an heart echocardiogram on Thursday, and he doesn't need heart medication yet because he isn't showing any signs of congestive heart failure. I have to take him back in 9 months for a re-check.

    Charlie has not been doing well during the past month. We were planning to put him in the PSOM study, but his SM causes too much pain in his ears to have them scoped without sedation, and our vet doesn't want him to undergo anesthesia right now, which is required for the CT scan and other testing, as being handled under anesthesia could make things worse for him. Charlie prefers to lay in his bed most of the time, but still has a good appetite. He has discomfort when posturing to go potty, both #1 and 2. We have been giving him Tramadol every 8 hours in addition to his SM meds and acupuncture. The acupuncture is not as effective as it was initially. His neurologist has doubled his dose of Tramadol, and we have another vet appointment for him this coming Tuesday.
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    I'm so sorry you have had such disappointments recently with both dogs. On Geordie -- I know that when a grade changes so much in a short period, a lot of the experienced cavalier breeders say to have another cardio check the grade. There was a long discussion on this on the breeder list a while back and many members had stories of being shocked by fast changes when a check by a different cardio, or a recheck, gave a very different (lower) grade. So it may be worth rechecking now for your own peace of mind, just to be sure there has been this fast shift. That's interesting they could give you a definite yes on a syrinx with a CT scan -- I know this can happen if the syrinx appears between the vertebrae. Sorry that you got this confirmation though; but I know it also helps to know what you are dealing with. H sounds fairly mild in terms of symptoms, fortunately.

    I'm really sorry that Charlie has been doing poorly. I think having him visit the OSU neurologist sounds like a good idea as often a different perspective can bring some new ideas. I always am quietly cheering him on.
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    I'm sorry Cathy. My thoughts are with you. I think once it has sunk in, you will handle it in the way you usually do, with determination to do what's best and all you can. It's a good job they have you as a Mum.
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    Oh Dear. That sure is a lot of burden to bear. It is hard to watch your dogs in discomfort and know that you can't fix it. I hope things get better in the weeks to come.
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    Oh Cathy - very big hugs(((()))). I know you must be feeling so shocked at the moment - but once it sinks in a bit, you will realise that this is perhaps only confirming what you already suspected. I know you wil give Geordie the best possible care, he is lucku to have such wonderful guardians who wil l do everythign possible to keep him comforatble.

    At present it sounds like he is managing ok - maybe it would be worth starting him on Frusemide to try to prevent things deteriorating.

    Different vets and cardiologists do hear murmurs differently - again I always say, judge tnat on symptoms rather than the grade. It's good that the ECG isn't showing anything - that is positive.

    Jsut know we are thinking of you and sending lots of positive thoughts - Charlie is particularly in our thoughts. You must be feeling like the world is crashing down around your ears - not a great start to the New Year, but hang in there, it will all come together and you will get him balanced on his meds and feeling more comfortable again.
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    Thanks so much for the update. I think of Charlie often. Something about him just touched me in a special way. So sorry he is not doing as well as you might have hoped but he is blessed to be where he is loved and cared for and for that I know he is grateful even if he does not always tell you so.

    Also, sorry to hear about Geordie. I will be interested in how he is doing. I honestly believe that Bud Bud's PSOM was causing him some discomfort. Although he was not exhibiting many symptoms before his diagnosis, his eyes and his mannerisms just seemed brighter after the myrinogotomy. Perhaps the syrinx was not causing Geordie's symptoms, but instead it was the PSOM. Something to discuss with the neurologist.

    Because Bud Bud had PSOM with almost no symptoms, except very occasional single yelps for which I could not find an explanation, I am concerned about whether I will know if it has come back. I am hopeful Dr. Cole and her colleagues will find a less expensive way than CT Scan to diagnose the condition. In the meantime, I watch carefully, and will discuss with Dr. Cole if I have any suspicion of a recurrence whether we need another CT Scan.

    Hugs to Charlie and Geordie, and to India and Chocolate, too, for being such good siblings, and an extra hug for you for being such a wonderful caretaker!
    Phyllis in West Virginia USA with two Clumbers and a Cavalier Named Buddy

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    Blessings to you and your fur babies. There is nothing more painful than their pain.

    You may want to consider starting Geordie on Enalapril (an ACE inhibitor). I am not a vet (although I am a doctor) and in people ACE inhibitors are the only drugs which have been proven to prolong life in those with heart failure (due to any cause but in our dogs due to genetically programmed enlargement of the heart leading to a murmur). It works by preventing the build up of fluid which would normally occur in heart failure due to inappropriate activation of the kidneys. This fluid puts extra pressure on the damaged heart causing it to fail earlier. Thus the Enalapril is protective although it is not a cure.

    Forgive me if I am telling you things you already know! My Missy also has a grade 3 murmur and I have not yet decided what to do. For your information, the medication is about £20 a month.

    You may find this article useful:
    An Approach to Asymptomatic Acquired Heart Disease in Dogs and Cats
    Clarke E. Atkins, DVM, DACVIM (Internal Medicine & Cardiology)
    Department of Clinical Sciences, North Carolina State University, College of Veterinary Medicine ( I didn't know how to send you the shortcut but you can google it)!

    I am sending you loving thoughts and wish you and your beautiful ones all the best! xxx

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    I know it’s a long shot but could T-touch benefit Charlie?

    http://www.ttouchtteam.co.uk/
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    Cathy,

    I have no advice but just wish you and your furbabies all the best luck in the world. As others have said these things are a shock but once you know you can deal with them, and knowing you as you already have done you will continue to do your utmost and your babies love you for that.

    Bigs hugs to all
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    I've been thinking of you Cathy; I check Charlie's blog daily. I'm really sorry to hear this recent news about both of the boys. As Karlin said, it sounds like Geordie has mild symptoms, and hopefully another cardio check will shed a different light on the situation.
    Little Charlie breaks my heart, I just wish this little guy could get a break. Fingers crossed that the OSU nuero will offer some helpful and effective recomendations.
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