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    wow you learn something new everyday! in this case, something VERY important! thank you for the post i pray her doggies are okay!
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    Cathy-- I posted the update for you... I figured you must be still sleeping out there on the West Coast! Praying for Chrsitine and her babies....


    Sorry, I meant to post this this morning, but things have been a little crazy around here and I just didn't have the time to do it until now - sorry for the delay.


    OK... so here's where we stand now. Since I caught the gum ingestion IMMEDIATELY and induced vomiting IMMEDIATELY and sought medical treatment IMMEDIATELY, we were able to keep ahead of the acute severe hypoglycemia (barely, but we did it). Now that my poor babies have downed practically a BOTTLE of Karo syrup (10mls per dog EVERY hour for 24 hours is a LOT of Karo syrup!). They felt like crap yesterday, and their gastrointestinal system is a mess (to be expected, but poor babies). Last night, around the 24 hour mark (again, theory is that xylitol takes 24 hours to metabolize through the system), their glucose stabilized around normal.

    Now, I worry about the worst part of all this - the delayed liver toxicity. I've been driving myself crazy researching medical journals - "studies have shown that 80-90% of xylitol ingestion cases WITH immediate SUCCESSFUL treatment of the acute hypoglycemia die WITHIN 4 days." Oh my god. As this is a fairly new issue here in the US - I could only find one small clinical trial (you can easily find it online, as it's the only clinical trial cited on numerous sites)... it involved 8 dogs. All were treated for the hypoglycemia - 100% died. OK.... I REALLY need to STOP researching.

    So, last night I was driving myself absolutely insane with the "wait and see" approach, especially after all my internet "research." I NEEDED to know where we stood. Granted, the liver toxicity is a delayed reaction that generally takes 48-72 hours, but I needed to see if there was anything going on thus far.

    Both the girls had FULL liver panels run. Although their electrolytes were a little wacky (ummm.... geee.... could that be all the sugar I've been giving?! ), and some of their other numbers were a little off-kilter simply because the serum was 3+ lipemic (also caused by the Karo), their liver values were actually pretty good!! [[Although too early to really have any conclusive result, you can insert a little sigh of relief from me here.]] I even had a clinical pathologist look at the results, and he was shocked in amazement at how good their numbers are after only 24 hours (compared to their initial values the night prior). So, I'm not going to get too confident or cocky, but so far, so good (heck - I'll gladly take ANY good news right now).

    The clinical pathologist at UC Davis (who is fortunately VERY familiar with xylitol toxicity) told me we're certainly not out of the woods yet -- to come back and have another full panel run on the girls tomorrow and again on Wednesday. If the results are good on Wednesday, then we have TRULY beaten the odds. I am putting out nothing but POSITIVE thoughts and vibes right now - I refuse to consider anything else.

    Everybody DID say that if I hadn't taken the proper steps immediately, both girls would definitely be gone right now (Izzy definitely wouldn't have made it the 20 minutes to UC Davis if I hadn't induced immediate vomiting)... so, if you haven't already - go and buy that stinkin' bottle of hydrogen peroxide NOW and keep it accessible in your kitchen (or wherever)!!! Also, hydrogen peroxide definitely has a "shelf-life," so check the expiration dates on your bottles... if it doesn't bubble vigorously, it won't work.


    So, we'll see... I'll definitely keep you guys updated.

    THANK YOU SO MUCH, EVERYBODY, FOR ALL OF THE POSITIVE THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS -- IT'S WORKING!!!! PLEEEEEEEASE KEEP THEM COMING THROUGH WEDNESDAY - WE NEED THEM NOW MORE THAN EVER!!!

    By the way, if both of my girls pull through this (which is honestly the ONLY option I am considering), we will truly be a medical anomaly. Even the specialists at UC Davis said that these are 2 incredibly strong, young, super-healthy dogs with an amazingly vibrant spirit and love of life (even when horribly sick, those tails never stopped and they smothered the doctors with lavish kisses and adoration after jugular sticks). If anybody can beat the odds, these 2 can (and I adamantly refuse to hear otherwise!!!!!)!
    Holly, Oliver, Rosalita, and Scarlett

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    Lots of fingers are crossed for you and the dogs for a complete recovery. Please keep us posted, and thank you for informing all of us- this is my first dog, and I had no idea of the danger.
    Jato - Blenheim, Nov. 2007
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    This is so scary! My breeder actually sent this to me this morning and I was going to post it but you beat me to it! I also asked my breeder how to induce vomiting just in case one of mine swallow medicine, etc. that could harm them...I hope her two cavs are okay!
    Carrie - Mom to my boys, Miles (a Ruby born 4/15/07) and Truman (a B&T born 11/28/07) and my girls, cats Hailey and Kayla (born @ 4/15/04 - they were found as strays )

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    This is really scary as I am sure few people know of this danger. I would think gum on the ground wouldn't be as much of a concern as it is usually pretty well chewed and most of the xylitol would likely go out of the gum fairly quickly just as sugar does. But I'll sure be a lot more cautious about watching the ground -- Jaspar goes after chewed gum all the time.

    There's a recent thread somewhere on inducing vomiting I think, but here's a couple of links. It is crucial to be sure you have the 3% solution and also to only use the amount recommended for the weight of the dog:

    http://www.petplace.com/dogs/how-to-...ogs/page1.aspx

    This is especially good as it advises when and when NOT to induce vomiting: http://www.dog-first-aid-101.com/induce-vomiting.html

    There's a Youtube video that shows how to use a syringe too, but the problem is the amounts explained in the video are for a collie sized dog and you have to actually READ the accompanying info to find the right measurement. The person unfortunately does NOT make it clear that the amount she is talking about are for a larger dog and that the amount would be much less for a small dog.
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    Christine has posted that 8-10 mls will cause a Cavalier to vomit within minutes.
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    Any news? I'm worrying...

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    I was wondering too...
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    Sounds like they will be ok... Here is the latest...

    OK... just returned from the all-important post-48hr liver panel. This is the one that truly shows the damage done, as it is 72 hours post xylitol ingestion, and 48 hours post hypoglycemia recovery.

    Firstly, I want to thank you all for the HUGE outpouring of support, thoughts and prayers. I have received (literally) almost one hundred e-mails from people all over the world wishing us luck (yes, apparently you guys are cross-posting with a vengeance - good!)... I have always been a FIRM proponent of the power of positive thinking, and this has only reaffirmed this philosophy. I honestly think you guys are responsible for saving the lives of my two baby girls.

    The doctors are completely baffled, confused and shocked at tonights results. Basically, considering what their blood values were 72 hours ago, their liver values tonight make absolutely no sense. They looked GOOD!!!! The numbers are high, and there some definite liver damage done, but the numbers are still in the high-normal range and are NOWHERE NEAR where they should be.

    The doctors are shocked. Tonight, I was told by one of the emergency doctors, "You know, I didn't want to say anything when you first came in, but based on their lab values, I didn't expect either of your dogs to make it, let alone both... I just don't understand how or why they have recovered so quickly! Medically, it doesn't make any sense at all - Izzy & Darby REALLY are medical anomalies... I just don't understand their results!"

    Although a couple of other clinical pathologists are looking over the lab sheets tomorrow, I really truly feel we have beaten the odds... and I have YOU GUYS to thank! You guys sent SO MUCH positive energy and love our way... between that and my refusal to accept that my girls might die - we've done it!! Oh my god. I am just emotionally drained and totally in shock right now. I'm sort of in disbelief - I'm not really believing the good numbers, because... frankly... they just don't make sense! But holy freakin' crap, you guys!!!! They really pulled through this!!!

    Thank you, with everything in my heart and soul... you guys are amazing, and I TRULY wouldn't have been able to do this (or had the good results) without you. Your e-mails, phone calls, and gracious, selfless offers of help and support mean the world to me. I am so blessed and fortunate to have such a phenomenal supportive network of dear friends - thank you, thank you, thank you....

    And by the way, if any of you ever go through something traumatic like this with your furkids, NEVER GIVE UP THE FIGHT, and never accept that the worst might happen! It just might make all the difference in the world with your results!!!

    I can finally sleep tonight (with the girls in my arms, of course )... it's funny, as I have huge and exciting (off-subject) news to share with you guys on Wednesday!! I wasn't sure if the "secret good thing" was going to happen, considering the recent crisis with my girls, but I can't wait to share the HUGE news with you all on Wednesday!! Ahhhhhhh... the suspense!
    Holly, Oliver, Rosalita, and Scarlett

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    Thanks so much for updating everyone Holly. What a relief that the girls sound like they are going to be okay. Quick thinking and knowing what to do really saved their lives.

    I now have a bottle of peroxide and a 10 ml syringe in my car and my home medicine bag.
    Cathy
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