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    Unhappy Puppy with SM

    We have a 7 year old very loved ruby cavalier. His name is Totti and he was recently diagnosed with SM. We were of course devastated. Totti is on cortison and is not having pain episodes but of cpurse he is very affected by the decease. We now have a puppy. Already when we fetched him I noticed he was scratching himself in exactly the same way as Totti does. He has now been with us for 4 weeks and is 12 weeks old. The scratching has continued and he has a hard time relaxing and moves a lot when he sleeps. I took him today to the vet and he did spot pain when stretching his neck. Now he is being tested for everything to exclude the posibility of other deceases. Next step is an MRI. Many vets have now been consulted since he is so young and the they dont think the decease can make a debut at such an early age.

    I can't describe how I feel. It really is such bad luck. If it had not been for the experience of Totti's SM I would never have recognized the symptoms. Well we still don't know that it is SM for sure so I guess I should wait and not get too upset yet. It's difficult though
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    I'm sorry to hear about both Totti and your puppy. It is rare for SM to show in young puppies but I know the youngest one Clare Rusbridge has diagnosed as symptomatic with SM was 12 weeks. If you have caught it this early, that does give you some options if you are considering surgery. I hope you find there might be another cause -- be sure to have the vets or a specialist check for PSOM which can also cause SM-like scratching.

    With Totti, does the neurologist have her on steroids, or your vet? Is the neurologist and the vet familiar with Clare Rusbridge's treatment diagram? Usually steroids would be one of the last options to use all the time, because of the side effects, but maybe your neurologist feels this is the only option. The standard for pain relief usually has been gabapentin usually alongside something to try and relieve CSF pressure, such as frusemide or cimetidine or prilosec. It might be worth discussing these other options?
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    Carolina,

    I brought a puppy home at 8wks, around 16 wks she was doing the things that drew my attention to SM and like you I picked up on it as we had previously lost Tilly with SM and I saw some signs.
    Pippa was always shaking and rubbing her head causing her to fall over most of the time, she bottom scooted in circles and yelped on being picked up, she chewed her front feet underneath around the pads till they were sore but she wasn't a scratcher. My vet did the routine things like ear infections, anal glands and allergies but it wasn't none of those things.

    At eight months (and after I had pulled my head out of the sand and admitted that she just could be affected) she was MRI scanned. At eight months there was already a large, wide, well established syrinx, a severe malforamtion with herniation and a head full of hydrocephalus. Her condition over the following two months went down very fast and the meds didn't help her much. A re-scan 2 months later showed alot more progression of the disease, a much bigger syrinx with nearly all of the spine affected and more hydrocephalus.
    The neurologist from Chestergates and I together agreed to PTS. Pippa was only ten months old.

    If you have any doubts and you think things are not right see a neurologist and voice your concerns. Have the MRI and put your mind at rest. The worry of not knowing always seems to make things worse. I would always want to know rather than just wonder about it for your sake and the little dog.

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    Thank you all for your replies. Yes, Totti is on steroids and yesterday it was decided to raise the dose. He is not doing very well so I don't have much hope for him being with us much longer.
    The specialist in one of the best veterinarian clinics in Sweden is acquainted with Ruths research. I talked to him today and we agreed on having Chili MRIed on monday . I will keep you posted. It does feel awful. Chili only 12 weeks is already such a little personality and we do love him. It does feel worse with Totti. He is so well trained and has a fantastic temperament. Thank you again for your advice and concern It does help to know that one is not alone

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    I am so sorry to read about Totti and Chilli. This must be so hard for you Will be thinking and praying for you on Monday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carolina View Post
    Thank you all for your replies. Yes, Totti is on steroids and yesterday it was decided to raise the dose. He is not doing very well so I don't have much hope for him being with us much longer.
    The specialist in one of the best veterinarian clinics in Sweden is acquainted with Ruths research. I talked to him today and we agreed on having Chili MRIed on monday . I will keep you posted. It does feel awful. Chili only 12 weeks is already such a little personality and we do love him. It does feel worse with Totti. He is so well trained and has a fantastic temperament. Thank you again for your advice and concern It does help to know that one is not alone
    My heart goes out to you. I couldn't begin to imagine having a puppy with SM. Please make sure your breeder knows about it all and if your not insured I would be asking for the money for the MRI scan back and also for any treatment. If the worst comes to the worst and you lose your precious bundle then I would also ask for a refund. I don't mean to sound callous but it might be a way of stopping the breeder in his/her tracks.

    Take care and let us know how you get on.

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    Thank you for your kindness. We are insured but the insurance company doesn't want to cover the costs for him claiming that he has been insured for a very short time and that he has had the symptoms since we fetched him. Nonsence is all I say!!! I bought the best insurance for him. They want him covered by the breeder insurance. After talking with thw insurance company they have agreed to take a second loo on this case.
    Warm regards to all of you,
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    My puppy who is now 13 weeks was MRI'd yesterday. The MRI showed a small hernia in the cerebellum and a slightly enlarged foranem magnum. Slight dome shape of the head. He is very young and this result together with the symptoms indicate a big probability that he will develop SM. After many discussions with the breeder who has offered to buy him back, I decided that I am already too much in love with him and can't part from him even if he has an illness. It was a very difficult decision since our eldest dog has SM and I know all the pain involved. But our home is now his home and I don't want to expose him to the confusing situation of having to move who knows how many times. We do love him and he is so sweet, so it's probably the best thing to do. He will have to take another MRI later on and of course no breeding. The vet is going to check on what to give him to help him with the scratching. Since he is so young he doesn´t really want to put him on medication yet.

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    So sorry to hear of now a definite double whammy. Little Chili could not ask for better parents to help her through her life. Are the increased steroids helping Totti have more comfort? You have found a great forum for comfort and ideas to help along the way.
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    It was not totally unexpected but nevertheless awful. Yes Totti has gotten better but we have to observe his diet since he has gained weight. The Omeprazol has helped the scratching but we will have to wait and see what help Chili can get since he is so little. One can always hope that he will not develop more severe symptoms.

    You are right, this forum has helped me through some very bad moments and it is such a comfort knowing that one is not alone.

    Thank you!

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