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    There is supposed to be a discussion here for most of the next hour or so.

    Just starting. Alternatively if you are using Realplayer you want to find and listen to BBC radio Fivelive.

    This entire thread is also here for a board discussion of Pedigree Dogs Exposed.
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    Producer and science broadcaster Jemima Harrison is on as well as a KC representative.

    There will be a podcast available of this programme later:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/programmes/bacon.shtml
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    The guy from the Kennel Club is infuriatingly in denial.
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    So were the receding backs of the prominent cavalier breeders shown at the end on film, refusing to respond to questions about whether a cavalier KNOWN TO HAVE SM should have won the top award at the most prominent cavalier show in the UK and be used to breed over 30 litters, the majrity AFTER his diagnosis. I guess they think it's OK, given that so many other UK breeders, knowing this dog's SM status, still chose to spread this affected dogs' genes further, into puppies that will *primarily go to pet owner homes*.

    BTW I note we have an awful lot of UK 'guests' reading threads related to the programme tonight. Hi breeders checking in to see what we say!



    The Irish Times gave me a 1000 word editorial on the topic for the opinion pages of tomorrow's paper on the programme, too. I will post a link in the morning.

    This thread can be used by anyone who wishes to discuss the programme. Please do not make statements about anyone that goes beyond known fact, folks.
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    Karlin, - perhaps you should post the same advice on the other thread that is now discussing the "actions & opinions" of the peole shown in this program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karlin View Post
    So were the receding backs of the prominent cavalier breeders shown at the end on film, refusing to respond to questions about whether a cavalier KNOWN TO HAVE SM should have won the top award at the most prominent cavalier show in the UK and be used to breed over 30 litters, the majority AFTER his diagnosis. I guess they think it's OK, given that so many other UK breeders, knowing this dog's SM status, still chose to spread this affected dogs' genes further, into puppies that will *primarily go to pet owner homes*.
    Yes, and to think I called one of them to buy a puppy before I got Dylan and she seemed not to like ME!!!
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    These people seem to think they are above everyone. I knew there was a reason I didn't show..... for some it seems to be the notoriority (spelt wrong...) of the show ring rather than bettering the health and standard of the breed that spurs them on to achieve their "goal"
    Last edited by merlinsmum; 19th August 2008 at 10:59 PM. Reason: Merlin has broken my laptop so I cant spell.....
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    That film broke my heart and infuriated me in equal measure. And yet at the same time I was glad that MVD and SM - and the conditions for the other breeds discussed - were being made so public. I couldn't believe the Cav breeder who said that SM wasn't really SM because 'all dogs scratch'. And the Kennel Club, grr. So what if all the breeders who are opposed to stringent health testing walk? At least that would mean that the dogs shown at Crufts, which is, after all, one of the most prestigious events in the dog calendar - are sound and healthy as well as longlived. That means that the natural fallout of a BiS win will be that hopefully people will be crying out for pups from good dogs.

    Yes, this might drive less health conscious breeders away. Yes, they may form their own alternative clubs and shows. Yes, they may continue to breed and sell pups - but they won't have the instant recognition and accreditation that Kennel Club registration gives. Although of course none of this helps the uneducated or unwary buyer who might be particularly susceptible to the experienced talk of such breeders.

    Why can't our Kennel Club wake up and smell the coffee Swedish style?!
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    It is just so disheartening and upsetting seeing what certain breeders are doing knowingly to their dogs and puppies. I cant believe the kennel club do not have a ban in place for deliberate mating of dogs which are close relatives, this appartantly is common practice and the Kennel Club registers dogs bred from mother-to-son and brother-to-sister matings. Its just shocking. It seems like as long as the dog is to breed standard they do not care about its health.

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    The inbreeding study discussed on the progamme is this one:

    http://board.cavaliertalk.com/showthread.php?t=26346
    Karlin
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