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Pedigree Dogs Exposed: part three

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To be fair, I have a certain amount of symapthy for Ms Costello.Is is unfortunate that she was the one who was "ambushed" at the Malvern show. However there is so much discussion surrounding the rights and wrongs of people's actions we must keep focused on the message that the programme delivered.
1. There is no requirement for a breeder to follow any MVD or SM protocol.
2. The health status of a dog has no bearing on the eligibility or suitability of a dog for the showring.
3. Breeders are not convinced of the value of MRI scanning as a tool for selection of breeding stock.

Villifying Margaret Carter and Carole Fowler is extremely distasteful. Instead they are owed a debt of gratitude for their sterling work in highlighting a very serious issue.
It's worrying that instead of working to find a way to deal effectively with SM in the cavalier breed there now seems to be a taste for vengeance with certain elements trying to discredit the established experts who have staked their careers on trying to help breeders to understand and control SM.
Perhaps MRI scanning isn't the complete answer but does that mean it should be dismissed?
I also feel we'll be hearing the same arguments about EBVs and why breeders choose not to use that resource either when it becomes available.
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Response to craigowl correspondent

I would like to respond to Mrs Inglis breed note correspondent for Dog World but feel my emotions some times rule my head and the anger swells up inside me for what is happening to our lovely breed that I have owned for over 30 years. Would someone put together a response or could I use Karlins post?
 
HollyDolly said:
I would like to respond to Mrs Inglis breed note correspondent for Dog World but feel my emotions some times rule my head and the anger swells up inside me for what is happening to our lovely breed that I have owned for over 30 years. Would someone put together a response or could I use Karlins post?
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If I can do it you can ;) You can PM me your reply before you send it and I'll look over it if you like. Mine was checked for me before I posted it just in case I got any facts wrong.
 
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If I can do it you can :wink: You can PM me your reply before you send it and I'll look over it if you like. Mine was checked for me before I posted it just in case I got any facts wrong.
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Thanks for that. It may take a few hours but I will PM you just to check for me.
 
Response sent

I have just sent my response to the Breed note correspondent for Cavaliers Dog World N. Inglis, will be interested to read her reply. I have also sent copy to the letters page of Dog World although have doubts as to it being published. Will be on holiday from Wednesday the 10th for one week so will not be around when the paper is due out next Friday. Thanks to Pauline for helping with this and also for submitting her response too.
 
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Cotswold Journal

this up today



MP clashes with The Kennel Club

2:18pm Monday 8th September 2008
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THE Cotswolds’ MP has urged the government to change the culture of pedigree dog breeding in Britain following a BBC One television documentary.
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown MP spoke after the documentary, entitled Pedigree Dogs Exposed, criticised The Kennel Club for insisting traits be bred into pedigrees, causing them pain and endangering their lives.
Mr Clifton-Brown said he was pleased to see Gloucestershire’s Carol Fowler appear in the documentary.
Mr Clifton-Brown supports her campaign against trait breeding, which she launched after becoming aware of the syringomyelia genetic disorder that affects Cavalier King Charles Spaniels, the breed she owns.
He said he spoke with leading veterinarians, scientists, the club’s officials and senior officials from the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs.
The MP will also write to Lord Rooker, the government’s Animal Welfare Minister, encouraging him to arrange a meeting with Carol and himself to discuss the issue.
Mr Clifton-Brown said the documentary “showed the persistent criticism and ridicule that Carol has faced from breeders who have a vested interest in seeing the current status quo maintained”.
He added: “However, I know Carol to be a hugely determined lady and I will continue to assist her in persuading the government that they must act now to change the culture of pedigree dog breeding and showing in this country.”
Bill Lambert, Kennel Club spokesman, refuted the documentary’s allegations.
He said the club has introduced health testing schemes and changed breed standards, while working to improve canine health.
Mr Lambert said: "We fully understand how upsetting it can be to see one’s pet suffer from illness and why Carol Fowler asked her MP to take this up in Parliament.
“We have recently approached Mr Clifton-Brown's office requesting a meeting to update him on the work we are doing to improve the health of pedigree dogs, following questions that he tabled in Parliament."
 
Hi

Been following every word and cheering away in the background ,"Come on Ladies " .Meanwhile i emailed my local crusading MP Mr Frank Field and made him fully aware of the facts and the support offered by Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown and received a reply on the 2 nd inst as follows.

Thanks for your email .I will contact Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown to see what he is planning and how I might help.

With Best Wishes

Frank Field .

Will all you experts on this horrible curse please advise us pet owner Cav people if there is anything else we can do ,i have signed and emailed as many people who i can think can add further weight and may i have permission to copy the mail previous to Mr Field to advise update of Mr Clifton-Browns recent activities.

Kind Rgds to All(y)
 
Brian, that piece is straight from the Cotswold Journal ( newspaper)today so is public. May I ask a question? What is an MP exactly?:huh:
 
write to dog paper

Brian M said:
Hi

Been following every word and cheering away in the background ,"Come on Ladies " .Meanwhile i emailed my local crusading MP Mr Frank Field and made him fully aware of the facts and the support offered by Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown and received a reply on the 2 nd inst as follows.

Thanks for your email .I will contact Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown to see what he is planning and how I might help.

With Best Wishes

Frank Field .

Will all you experts on this horrible curse please advise us pet owner Cav people if there is anything else we can do ,i have signed and emailed as many people who i can think can add further weight and may i have permission to copy the mail previous to Mr Field to advise update of Mr Clifton-Browns recent activities.

Kind Rgds to All(y)
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You could also write to dog world or send a response to N. Inglis breed note correspondent for cavaliers this can be down on line.
 
I was pleased to read about this new development! :rah:

I'd like to add a comment about one part of the article.
Bill Lambert, Kennel Club spokesman, refuted the documentary’s allegations.
He said the club has introduced health testing schemes and changed breed standards, while working to improve canine health.
Mr Lambert said: "We fully understand how upsetting it can be to see one’s pet suffer from illness and why Carol Fowler asked her MP to take this up in Parliament.
“We have recently approached Mr Clifton-Brown's office requesting a meeting to update him on the work we are doing to improve the health of pedigree dogs, following questions that he tabled in Parliament."
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I hope someone will provide Mr. Clifton-Brown with a copy of the CKCS MVD Guidelines, which are Appendix C of the CKCS Club Code of Ethics, and additionally I hope someone will provide copies of the puppy gazette, examples of recent pedigrees and breeding information to show him which KC breeders/health officers don't follow the MVD guidelines by breeding their dogs too young.
 
Dog World Breed Notes

Seems to be the way to fight criticism as once again snide commentary which doesn't deal with any facts. Is it worth answering?
 
My My

Is that not a nasty response or what, seems to me that she in fact has not answered any of our questions, any thoughts on where we go next?
 
I'd only be going round in circles if I replied. Maybe someone good with words can post something. I still can't get through to her that Dr Ingpen is a human Dr. for goodness sake. And the fact that she says 100 puppies were produced from that Malvern dog and only one has been reported to the breeder as sick, well give it time.
 
Well, you did point out that she had a vested interest because she bred her bitches to the boy. If she didn't, I think she'd be rather miffed

Per: http://www.dogworld.co.uk/Breeds/BreedNotes/36-CAV

"Finally Norma you failed to mention that you had used this dog on several of your bitches in your breed notes can you please tell us why? I again state that if this dog is clear of SM no one including yourself would be afraid to say I have used this dog at stud."

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"Would it not be fair to say Norma while you are entitled to your opinion you have in fact bred several bitches from the Malvern dog featured in the BBC documentary. This obvious financial and professional conflict of interest should be pointed out."

These were rather abrupt comments too. Norma has forgotten more about cavaliers than I know. jmo, if you throw a punch, I wouldn't expect a gandi like retort back.
 
That's true, more research was needed on my part. I will apologise for that. What did you mean when you said, "Norma has forgotten more about cavaliers than I know."?
 
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That's true, more research was needed on my part. I will apologise for that. What did you mean when you said, "Norma has forgotten more about cavaliers than I know."?
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Sorry Pauline I do not realy know what you mean by more research!
 
*Pauline* said:
That's true, more research was needed on my part. I will apologise for that. What did you mean when you said, "Norma has forgotten more about cavaliers than I know."?
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There are probably about two dozen cavalier breeders that I could just sit at their feet and listen to them talk about cavaliers for hours. She has produced many lovely, typey, long lived cavaliers.
 
I was extremely concerned by the claim regarding Dr Murray Ingpen.
Dr. Ingpen DOES have a medical degree as denoted by the two letters DR and actually one of his "claims to fame" is that he has also treated human patients with this condition.
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He's listed on internet sites as being a specialist in Rheumatology.It's a noble calling and I'm sure he's a very fine clinician.
Having run a message board for supporting people with spinal deformity(some with Chiari 1 and Syringomyelia) for five years, I have only ever heard of them having decompression surgery or syrinxs drained by neurosurgeons.
I would rather personally to visit a neurologist myself for SM treatment.
I would rather my dog visit a veterinary neurologist than a Rheumatologist.
So if people feel that this rheumatologist is better qualified or more competent than someone like Rusbridge then they're entitled to have him diagnose and treat their dogs if they have the misfortune to develop SM.
However I feel it highly unlikely that Dr Ingpen will abandon his two legged patients in favour of the four legged variety.
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