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    Exclamation Cavaliers are a basket case!!

    According to Terrierman, a well known blogger on dogs and dog issues:

    http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com...-are-mess.html

    It's a tough read for people who love this breed, but it should be. I will readily admit I must be insane for loving this breed, and will argue that while everyone who likes a breed will say it is for the "special personality", those special personalities are different, and I happen to really like the personality of cavaliers, which is not like other breeds or mixes I have owned or known.

    But too many of us are so blind to anything but the pleasure of owning the breed that we now accept -- and do not even protest -- the APPALLING state of this breed's health.

    I keep seeing posts (and even entire websites!) about how 'healthy' the breed is yet how can anyone say that of a breed where half of the entire population will be going into severe heart disease by age 5? Imagine if half the human population of, say, Chicago or London or Toronto or Dublin began to experience heart murmurs and valve failures at only age 35! There would be outrage and a rush to discover why -- yet still, this breed is regularly bred outside the MVD protocol. Still, the majority of people who breed cavaliers do not cardiologist test. Club breeders, at least in some countries, are far better than non-club breeders, but still nowhere near the level it should be. In Ireland I do not know of a SINGLE breeder who cardiologist tests their breeding cavaliers.

    Meanwhile we -- the buyers of this breed who have the MOST POWER to demand change -- do not even ask and DEMAND that breeders cardiologist test, produce certificates, and breed in accordance with the MVD protocol. Because WE do not demand this, because WE are either too timid, or can't be bothered, or want a cheap puppy from some trash breeder just so we too can own a cavalier, this horrific affliction now takes a fourth to a third off the average lifespan for the breed. Yet we get excited and make up little happy lists of dog that are 'heart healthy' over age 5, as if this is some major achievement! We are thrilled to hear of cavaliers still alive at just about anything beyond age 10. How utterly pathetic is that? That should be the NORM!!

    What is wrong with us? This breed for its size should routinely live til 14, 15, 16. Look at Tibetan Spaniels, about the same size... which often live til 18 or so.

    And then there's syringomyelia. Yes, there are no guarantees for any puppy simply because a breeder MRIs for SM (or cardiologist tests for heart murmurs) -- yet the fact that a dog has an existing problem, regardless of whether we see -- or think we see -- or make sure we accidentally on purpose don't see -- symptoms is not an excuse to breed an ill animal.

    MVD alone nearly put me off this breed and the number of dogs over 5 that come into my cavalier rescue with heart murmurs already there -- which is nearly all of them -- makes me ill.

    So please: READ WHAT TERRIERMAN SAYS. And pay special attention to that last paragraph. And DO something about these problems, and for this breed, before there won't be a breed left to own. USE YOUR POWER AS A BUYER TO FORCE CHANGE!! Do NOT buy puppies from anyone that cannot produce appropriate health clearances for their dogs!
    Karlin
    Cavaliers: Tansy : Mindy Connie Roxy Neasa Gus
    In memory: My beautiful Jaspar Lucy Leo Lily Libby

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    Yes does make for very sad reading, as did the film PDE. I thought for many a year that I must be insane for loving this breed but cannot imagine life without one.
    Have noticed on the Dog World website that someone has copied an entire post written by one of our members and used it to offer up a reason for being turned down for membership of the CKCS Club. Seems they must have held on to this for a few months.
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    Have a read of the comments to the Terrierman post -- seems turning down membership applications goes hand in hand with turning down those who care about and dare to raise the subject of about health problems...
    Karlin
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    In memory: My beautiful Jaspar Lucy Leo Lily Libby

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    I love Terrierman, he's a superb writer!
    I suspect he sleeps with a shovel beside him at night and a flashlight in case he wakes up needing to lamp any passing prey!
    He doesn't like Toy dogs and refers to them as ****-Zoos, Pappy-yawns etc..
    Unless a dog can slaughter a badger, mangle a rat or an otter in under twenty seconds it's not worth it's salt!
    Have a look at his "Rosettes to ruin" blog.If there's any breeders of Norfolk terriers out there,maybe they'd heed his advice.
    [FONT=Arial]If the breeder doesn't own a deben collar, a $50 shovel, and a digging bar, I would suggest giving that kennel a pass. [/FONT]
    This made me burst out laughing,but he has a point!

    He's unfortunately correct about cavaliers. They're a mess. I can't argue otherwise.
    But for me my cavalier does a very important job! She makes me happy and brightens my day in a way no other breed of dog has done in over 40 years. Hopefully the fact that the MRI scanned list of cavaliers increases almost daily gives such great hope for the future.It's very encouraging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sins View Post
    He doesn't like Toy dogs and refers to them as ****-Zoos, Pappy-yawns etc..
    Unless a dog can slaughter a badger, mangle a rat or an otter in under twenty seconds it's not worth it's salt!

    Sins
    I spent the last 11 years making sure my kcs didnt kill herself while in pursuit of " prey" .
    Climbing down cliffs to rescue said dog, dragging her out of ponds ditches ,etc & prising dead animals out of her mouth........

    So I think I'll give terriers a miss thanks if thats all they're good for ,lol
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    [QUOTEI spent the last 11 years making sure my kcs didnt kill herself while in pursuit of " prey" .
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    Our Girl has a toy "Dangermouse" which she shakes to break it's back and she tosses it perfectly into the air. It probably doesn't meet terrierman's exacting specification for usefulness though.
    I see by quoting terrierman's version of shitzu I've inadvertently fallen foul of the "profanity filter"....
    Honestly Karlin, it wasn't me who said **** zoo
    Is Sins forgiven??

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    Quote Originally Posted by sins View Post
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    Our Girl has a toy "Dangermouse" which she shakes to break it's back and she tosses it perfectly into the air. It probably doesn't meet terrierman's exacting specification for usefulness though.
    :

    Hmm I see your point , killing the rat in our garden would probably have been more useful than trying to bring that dead seal home.....

    But give me a useless dog any day , much easier on the nerves ,lol

    Back to the health though. Apart from our first ( who was around 14 when she died but had always had serious health problems ) none of our cavaliers have got past 10 years & none could walk very far. My current cav is just 6 years old today & is already lame.

    I have come to expect cavs to have murmers by 5 & be dead by ten, thats just the way it is . But actually its a disgrace......
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    Hi

    I had a J R which bit my eldest boy just under the eye while his Grandmum had him ,later on I had a Kerry Blue but returned him to his breeder after 2 yrs he wanted to fight anything and I could never let him off his lead we tried training clubs/ behavioral specialist /dog psychiatrists absolutely nothing worked his aggressiveness and odd fixed stupidness just seemed to be in him ,a bit like some Cav breeders really who hang on our every word and spy on us then rush off and email all rest of that self opinionated mob who all know so much that these good people with their incestuous breeding programmes have greatly ensured as Karlin says that the majority of our Cavaliers will have major heart problems by the age of five ,and after those well thought out answers that recently spiiled out of the K Club nothing more is surprising .It is an absolute tragedy or more like a death wish why cant these so called cavalier people/breeders who profess to love all their dogs understand the only way forward is by scanning and the MVD protocol I am sure being nothing more than a poor pet owner that I would willingly pay extra for a puppy if I knew that everything that needed to be done had been for that pup to have a long and healthy life ,but it seems to them that is not the way to go ,this i don't understand can anybody explain ,thank heavens I am just an animal lover and will do anything I can to assist any living creature if it needs help to live its life in full unlike the other lot who seem so hell bent on destruction .Copy that lot and stick it up your axxxxx Oh and copy also to Sue as I might bump into her on holidy in Devon ,I do hope so as I as sure I will be made most wellcome ,see you soon . That would be fun guaranteed
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    I had a Kerry Blue but returned him to his breeder after 2 yrs he wanted to fight anything and I could never let him off his lead
    A good friend of mine had to do the same Brian.The KB had bitten his kids/neighbour's kids and the last straw was when the wife got bitten.
    A cavalier can make a huge contribution to a family.My little boy has aspergers and our cavalier got him over his fear of dogs and has really helped him to interact and develop an empathy with a living creature which is wonderful for us.She brings such joy to us and makes him laugh.
    You just couldn't put a price on what she's done for him.
    (Killing rats is optional)*
    It's such a injustice that the breed has so many problems.
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    Well, it is true that cavalier health is a mess, but I can tell that the terrierman hasn't had the benefit of experiencing the cavalier personality for himself, or he wouldn't dismiss it as a stupid reason to select a dog. I got Pixie, our first cav based on the research I'd done in searching for a small dog. The breed's personality/trainability/intelligence/friendliness fit perfectly the description of what I wanted for a small family dog. I knew nothing about them beforehand, and wasn't aware of the severity of their health issues at the time we got Pixie. The reason I have two more now is how enamored with this breed I became as a result of owning Pixie. She was so wonderful in every way. Her devotion, intelligence, playfulness, gentleness yet spirited energy, etc, etc all won my heart over completely...and all my childrens' as well. In spite of owning other dogs, I'd been unable to love a dog that deeply since my wolf, Shadow had died back in 2001. Pixie completely caught me off-guard and brought that four-legged, special love back into my life...and broke my heart so fully when she died that I thought it would never heal. Truthfully, losing her hurt worse than the day my (now ex) husband left after 13 years of marriage. It takes a special kind of animal to bring out feelings that strong.
    But, it was so special that I now have Bandit and Lizzie, even though I know one day I will be hurt again. Terrierman must be unaquanited with that aspect of cavaliers. Poor him. He is missing out.

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