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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsamom View Post
    Pauline, do you find the gapapentin makes Dylan tired?
    I think it might make Ilsa tired. The neurologist told me it doesn't but our pharmacist said it often does to humans.

    Maybe we should start a new thread but I read that and had to ask right away

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    Definitely and Dylan's neurologist mentions it every time we up his dose. My daughter is epileptic too and many AEDs cause tiredness.
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    THANK YOU!!!!!!!! You have probably saved the last bit of my sanity!!!! Our neurologist told me it was impossible, but I've never been happy with him. I couldn't tell if she was in pain or drugged, as she doesn't show pain just won't move. I had blood work done, her heart checked and everything. Although, sometimes I skip her evening dose as a test and I don't see any great improvement in her energy or any change at all.

    Tomorrow, maybe for a week ,I'll give her her morning dose late if she's not in pain and see if we have a real morning walk like we used to have. If so we have to have the surgery to at least try to get her off these things. I can't stand watching her like this and I've been wondering if she had too much or not enough medicine.


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    As far as I know, dogs after the decompression surgery are on the same drugs as before.

    I must add that when my daughter decided to come off her AEDs on a trial to see if she had grown out of her epilepsy, it took three years to wean her off them, a reduction of 50mg each 3 months. A missed pill by accident is one thing, but changing or missing doses is not to taken lightly.
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    I know, but some dogs are able to reduce quite a bit. It is our only chance. And if not at least we hopefully won't have to increase the dose and make it even worse. You can't imagine how terrible she seems sometimes, so lethargic and withdrawn. She hasn't been herself for months and it breaks my heart.

    I hope she's more active without - then I'll know she's not acting like this because she's in pain.
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    i hope you get a good result for Leo on monday-good luck. my ruby was at the groomers today & that was bad enough; her not being with me for 1 1/2hrs!the whole place kind of echoes without her. i hope you get him home soon..

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    You can't imagine how terrible she seems sometimes, so lethargic and withdrawn. She hasn't been herself for months and it breaks my heart.
    To be honest, this doesn't sound like anything due to gabapentin. It sounds like something related to the level of pain and discomfort she is in from the SM. I might be wondering if she actually needed an *increase* in dosage from that description. Gabapentin can make dogs a bit sleepy but any human sufferer will tell you the sleepiness is preferable to the pain. Dogs with this generally get withdrawn due to pain, not due to sleepiness from drugs. While there is a chance that perhaps the gabapentin is having some affect of this sort I'd really want to have her pain level investigated and evaluated.

    As Pauline says most dogs continue on gabapentin all their lives post surgery; and usually at pretty much the same dose as far as I have ever seen. There are other options besides gabapentin however.

    I think given your description I'd be seriously talking to the neurologist about options. Be aware too that if you are considering surgery, postponing it tends to allow things to worsen in an irreversible way which raises the chance she will always need drugs for pain, and the longer the delay, the less successful the surgery is likely to be, according to neurologists.
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    Thanks Karlin

    We saw the neurologist last week and he told me she had no more neurological damage or pain in her neck. He is an SM specialist and he told me her lethargy was not her SM or her medications. I told him we'd had her bloodwork done, an untrasound on her heart and stomach, (her usual yearly) and there was nothing else wrong with her. She doesn't appear to be in any pain or discomfort, even if I touch her neck. The lethargy came on so suddenly over a month ago - is it possible that SM can cause such rapid and odd symptoms?

    I do agree with you as SM and pain is the most likely cause, but my neuro seemed so sure it put doubts in my mind. If I was sure that she was in pain severe enough to make her this tired I'd have the surgery soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karlin View Post
    There are other options besides gabapentin however.

    I think given your description I'd be seriously talking to the neurologist about options. Be aware too that if you are considering surgery, postponing it tends to allow things to worsen in an irreversible way which raises the chance she will always need drugs for pain, and the longer the delay, the less successful the surgery is likely to be, according to neurologists.
    What other options are there?

    I tried discussing the surgery with him as I've already spoken to Dr Marino about it, and he strongly advised against it. I asked for another MRI and he said it was too soon. Needless to say I'm unhappy with him, but he was the only SM specialist I could find here.

    Thanks again
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    Still no change in news with Leo. The vet called today to reasure me he's ok and say they still intend to MRI him monday.

    We went to London today to see a show which helped take our minds off it but of course we came home to an empty house.

    I cant believe its taken this long. I really thought we'd take him for a scan last wednesday...get the results and then treat if need be!

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    Nearly there Mel, not too much longer. Hope you enjoyed the show and enjoy the christening tomorrow.
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