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News: Nothin' breeding's changed at Crufts, mate

Terrierman is is flying form this morning. I wondered fleetingly for just a bare hint of a moment if he'd be pleased that a terrier had taken BIS at crufts.
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http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/
 
But this is the point as far as I am concerned. How many families who just breed once or twice understand the massive impact their two little litters could have on generations of dogs to come? How many truly understand even the basics of genetics and recessive traits their vet won;t see? How many understand how to interpret 5 generation pedigrees and research the health issues in all the lines that feed into the sire and dam? How many will actually pay to see the *specialists* needed to diagnose some existing conditions -- and instead just think a quick vet check is enough? (it is well proven for example that vets miss HALF of all early onset heart murmurs -- which means that if people breed only having had their vet check their cavalier's heart, there's a 50/50 chance they are breeding a dog with a murmur that will pass along the tragedy and pain of early onset MVD and early, painful death to some sad dog and grieving family).

With cavaliers: how many families breeding a litter or two will xray hips, or MRI?

How many of the puppies they sell go on spay/neuter contracts that the family enforces to make sure those dogs in turn are not bred?

It is hard enough to get club breeders to do much regarding health -- most seem focused on either winning in the ring and to hell with health, or to selling puppies and to maximise profit, so health is endlessly sacrificed (thank goodness there are many who also are not this blinkered and self-serving, primarily many small breeders whose dedication I really admire as well as their bravery as many of them have had to stand up against some of the big breeders and have therefore suffered in the ring). If it weren't, we wouldn't be in a situation where half of all cavaliers have a murmur by age 5-6, a tragically young age for an an elderly dog's disease to appear. Too many members here have dogs that have died from heart failure at only 4,5,6,7... that is like 30 and 40 year old humans collapsing from congestive heart failure. It is just WRONG.

I'd like to see health frameworks guiding how dogs are bred and given all the dogs in pounds and rescue -- I feel the world can happily do without the families breeding one or two litters. There's simply too little genetic diversity now in many, perhaps most, breeds and too many genetically-linked health issues that seem to be increasing in the wake of "popular sire syndrome"... to have haphazard casual breeding going on. :(

No i completely agree, and Cavaliers with their lack of diversity are a very special case, but when you start having breeders turn towards the conformation class and I'm just not sure what is more wrong. A person who takes every possible precaution to breed that he or she can. Insures that the bitch is taken care of and is always loved vs the breeders who put out puppies in an attempt to perfect the breed standard.

IDK maybe the breed standard needs to just be shelved and redone, but I feel like the people who breed for the standard are much more to blame because they tend to follow inline breeding practices. Isn't that the origin of the lack of genetic diversity?

Just my thoughts. Am I just totally off base?
 
Incidentally the winning BIB and CC CKCS male at Crufts, Lanola Santana of Maibee, was first bred at 11 months then again at 15 months (from a quick check of databases...). So much for the MVD protocol

I have no wish to upset those who are scanning their dogs and following the recommended protocols.

Trouble is, I am not sure who these people are or how many of them exist. Hearing things like the quote above doesn’t help, nor does the fact that Cavalier health feels like an underground movement to me. More dogs being scanned now apparently, but heaven forbid that anybody suggest that PDE had anything to do with this. No, everybody was doing everything exactly right, and all the fuss is down to that pesky Jemima Harrison and friends exaggerating. Ranks closed completely, no room for movement.

I have stopped reading lots of boards as I now realise there is no point. Six months ago I was new to this and did actually believe that most Cavalier show breeders were on the side of the angels, despite my own not very good experience when I was searching for a puppy two years ago. I was happy with the breeder who I got Rufus from: true, SM wasn’t mentioned, but then nobody mentioned SM at all so I can let that go. But she was prepared to discuss MVD at length with me, and I felt that in the event of a problem I could go back to her for advice.

It now amuses me to realise that the people who are most adamant about the bias of anybody posting on this board are the ones who make the most biased assumptions themselves. At least I can laugh about this now, which is better

Still, I am an optimist, so I hope that things are changing, even if it is sometimes hard to see how. And at the very least, I know a hell of a lot more than I did six months ago, which means I am less likely to miss signs of distress in my own Cavaliers.:)
 
I have stopped reading lots of boards as I now realise there is no point.

It now amuses me to realise that the people who are most adamant about the bias of anybody posting on this board are the ones who make the most biased assumptions themselves. At least I can laugh about this now
 
I meant to add I feel the same way exactly. (next time will try to remember to engage brain before replying):eek::eek:
 
jan an diddy i think your both right, whatever you say and whatever you do people will just take the wrong way or argue, whats the point. :confused:
 
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