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    Two of my dogs have been MRI'd for suspected SM. Oz has the malformation but no syrinxes yet, while Riley has SM and had surgery last June. Oz bounced back from it like he had never been sedated and was a wild man right away (He was 11 months old). Riley however, had problems recovering from the anesthesia and needed to stay overnight so they could monitor her. I think she is definitely the exception rather than the rule though.

    If she is diagnosed with SM, I would just be sure you are clear on your options. With Riley I was told by two different neurology groups that she needed surgery and was not a candidate for long-term medical management. See if you can find out how large the syrinxes are - I think how wide they are is the more important measurement and how much of the spinal column is affected. Just be sure you understand the dosing of any medications and side effects. Also, talk about what kind of effects you should see from medication even if she is a candidate for surgery. That way, you will have some idea if the medication is doing what it should be doing. Both Jen and Linda had some great suggestions for questions also. Regarding the microchip - my dog's neurologist said that the MRI can sometimes disrupt the microchip and I should have it read by the vet's office afterwards. Both dog's chips worked just fine.

    This is not a journey any of us want to take, but unfortunately too many of us have been down this road. I'm sorry you have this worry. If you get an SM diagnosis, use the support we can all give you. Believe me, it's helped me through some rough patches.
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    I just thought of something else--you mentioned bringing water. Call your clinic and ask when the cutoff time is for water. Remember they get put under for mri so no food and water. For us it was midnight. I'm thinking of you alot and I mean alot. Please post on tuesday if you're able but let me tell you I'm praying alot that it isn't so I'm really hoping you post it was negative. Hugs.
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    Linda is right, I brought a bottle of water and a bowl for Ilsa but she wasn't allowed to drink for 6 hours after I picked her up anyway. Even when she was allowed to eat and drink she was so wiped from the anesthesia that she didn't want to that evening. I had to force water down her mouth.

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    Thank you all for your advice & to Margaret C for taking the time to talk to me this week. it really means ALOT to me to know that youre thinking of & rooting for us, its helped when ive nearly lost the plot a couple of times this week-having been told by a few people(aquaintances)to just have her PTS, ive also been told she's looking old & tired
    i need to collate all the info onto a list as ive scraps of paper everywhere. No food from 10pm mond eve but water only after this. Charlifarley im sorry youre waiting to get your two scanned, you are in my thoughts. i will certainly have to say she's chipped-thanks for that. At the moment i think we need to leave home at approx 5.30am to be there for 9, theyve said i can possibly collect her at 4/5pm then home, any hiccups & i'l book into a hotel for the night but thats not going to happen! I will most definitely try to post when we get in but it may be a quicky with more to follow. apart from feeling sick for days i just want to get it over with & have a plan & pain meds. she yelped again this morn when i lifted her & yest i actually saw her whole right front leg trembling-this hasnt happened before.
    LMCavaliers it is indeed a journey none of us want to take& too many are having to, thank goodness for ct & the great people on it

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    Tupup,

    Just wanted to say Im thinking of you and your little one.
    Good luck tomorrow....please keep us uptodate. I know from experience how horrible this is and the sickening feeling I had returns when I think what you are going through.

    I pray you get the same news we did

    Mel

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    UPDATE-well it was as expected, Ruby's now diagnosed with SM/Chiari. we didnt get an mri scan as he diagnosed on seeing her in action, so to speak, as when we went in she was air scratching a lot, my friends tried to stop her as they always do(bless) but i had to tell them to leave her cos thats what we were there for.
    im going to try to be very careful what i say next (karlin plse delete as you see fit) & i wont mention his name on here but i thought he was tosh IMHO. as you all know i went armed with Q's-17 of them, i felt patronised & lectured at, ie; what do you feed her? so i listed what she has in a day, he said who told you to give her all that, thats far too much,however he didnt ask what size portions of! Says she's overweight, i tried to explain she's always been skinny until steroids, but no, cavaliers are always overweight.she is 7.4kgs today, up from 6.8,around 15lbs normally.
    he wanted to do a CT scan today for any future surgery purposes, but then said surgery was way down the line so this didnt get done either.
    he said this condition doesnt usually bother them or progress, we got a full history lesson in all things medical. said her lethargy, not wanting to walk was down to having steroid jab 2weeks ago& that pain killers dont work on this& theres no treatment that works.
    he started then on my notes-oh i see youve been on the internet, its all rubbish,nothing but anecdotes.i got an endless lecture on this he even suggested i read "snake oil & other remedys"
    By this time i had nearly walked out 3times but my friends would have been mortified but they were anyway when i started, there they were nodding& agreeing all nice,& then i just interupted in the end & said ok what about pain meds? he says if youve come here for pain meds youve come to the wrong place. i was polite-just-but i wasnt leaving without any! this went on& on so the upshot is-she's now back on the diuretics she was on 3weeks ago that didnt work,but at a lesser dose& Metacam once daily. ive to ring him in 3 weeks to update him. if i want an mri he'll send us to chestergates. im afraid id resorted to Dr.Clare Rushbridges dna sample scheme etc that id be interested in, by this point. it did seem to make a difference to his attitude.
    I was in there 1 1/2hours so cant complain of being rushed.
    im sorry this is so long but i needed to vent a little to others who know about these things as the silence in the car on the way back was deafening for the 1st 2 hours!
    any opinions anyone please?
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    Appalling. Will you PM me who this was?

    I'd go to Chestergates directly and simply arrange a vet or neurologist appointment. They will be much kinder. Or PM me for other options.

    That is simply beyond belief.
    Karlin
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    I wonder if that was the vet we saw years ago for one of our dogs epilepsy, he hated cavaliers , infact hated anything that wasn't gsd shaped.
    it was a complete waste of time

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    thanks Karlin ive pm'd you.
    AT could be cos as you know we dont live that far from you-will pm you, as dont want to publicly post the name!
    Blessed by the love of a Cavalier!
    G & Ruby(ruby girl!)B:04? Ex PF rescue,she came to me in '08 & has SM/MVD & she's a special princess & Jelly Tots(B&T girl)B:20/3/09,a real cuddles cheeky chops & the baby of the family!

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    I sympathize,our neurologist was much the same we are in Paris and were lucky to find a specialist but still. Did he prescribe and medications such as gabapentin (or neurontin it's the same) omeprazole or a cortisone? I'd switch and find a new neurologist especially if you have not been prescribed any meds. It does help when seeing a new neurologist to have done the MRI and to have a copy with you.

    That said, I've seen 2 neurologists and had phone consults with 2 more (having sent a copy of the MRI and medical records) and all do recommend attempting to control symptoms with medications before considering surgery. There are many great successes with the surgery but it is invasive and dangerous with a long recovery period. It is of course your decision but if it were my dog I'd like to start medication asap, weather or not I was planning on the surgery, if only to make her more comfortable.

    I do understand the silence, they did an MRI for Ilsa the day I brought her in, (and I still remember the day November 13) and even though I expected the answer I almost fainted and did scream in his office and cried for a week. People think it's better to know but for me it was hell.

    If you'd like to talk PM me,
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