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    There is a good bit of incorrect and/or old information in these threads about vaccinations and titering.

    A very good website (run by a Texas veterinarian with references to many published papers by Dr. Jean Dodds and Dr. Ron Schultz) all about vaccinations:

    http://www.critteradvocacy.org/

    I've used this site for years and it is always up-to-date - it includes an extensive bibliography of veterinary published papers by Dr. Jean Dodds and Dr. Ron Schultz, etc. There is a lot of info on this site and it takes a bit of time to go through it all. Some info that I've cut and pasted:

    "Booster vaccines" or annual re-administration of modified live virus vaccines like
    distemper and parvo virus do not provide added protection. In previously
    vaccinated adult animals the antibodies from previous vaccinations block the
    new vaccine. Antibody levels are not increased, memory cells are not increased.
    (23 a) (Note from Pat - read about antibodies versus memory cells.)

    The duration of immunity for modified live virus vaccines like K9 Distemper and Parvovirus
    have been proven to be 7 years by challenge and 15 and 7 years respectively by serology. Memory cells persist for life.(23a,23b) (Dr. Schultz did most of these studies.)

    Titers of antibody levels do not accurately predict immunity or lack of immunity. (NOTE FOR EVERYONE WHO IS RUNNING TITERS.)

    There is no scientific data to support manufacturers label directions to
    re-administer MLV vaccines annually.
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    See the chart for the new vaccination protocol and notice that you MUST booster at one year (after giving the puppy vaccs) - one person mentioned only giving parvo and distemper vacc at a few months and not boostering a year later. That does NOT give adequate immunity. Note again that latest conclusion is now that titers do NOT reflect immunity or lack of immunity.

    http://www.critteradvocacy.org/Are%2...Our%20Pets.htm

    And another chart:

    http://www.critteradvocacy.org/Canin...0Guidlines.htm

    My advice is to read this information for yourself and make your own decisions about vaccs after discussing the material with your vet versus reading a thread and following someone's posted advice which may or may not be accurate. Print these out and share with your vet as there are many cited vet studies.

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    Thanks for that -- I''d like to add your information to the vaccination section. I know titers have been under scrutiny for a while.

    For the moment I am sticking with the vet school recommendations to booster at every three years but only at age 4 then age 7. I don't vaccinate cats or dogs after 7.

    Hopefully new studies will bring further alterations to the recommendations.
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    Hi

    Sorry for raising this again but I have to take Daisy for her boosters at 2.00 PM today ,and the more I think about it I don't know if I should or to just cancel altogether, or take her and just ask for Lepto 2 ,as I am putting a lot of bird food in the garden and we have recently spotted a couple of rats around.I have put poison down in very safe areas where the girls have zero chance of getting near .

    Daisy - Birthdate 09/01/2007

    21/07/2007 blue vanguard sticker and green vanguard sticker

    20/03/2007 NOBIVAC DHP LEPTO 2

    14/03/2010 NOBIVAC DHP LEPTO 2

    27/02/2010 no sticker hand written and signed LEPTO


    If I do go I may even request that they do not check her heart or would that be irresponsible and selfish
    and my part ,I have no reason to suspect there is anything wrong with her its just that when I take them I always fear the worst.
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    having seen the very high incidence of parvo virus in Ireland because a lot of people give puppy vax & believe that covers them for life (??????) I would definalty vaccinate.
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    I looked into this a while back. After a vaccination Molly developed a hard large lump on
    her neck. For the moment I have decided to vaccinate every three years (until 7) apart from
    the Lepto which I will continue every year.

    When I take them to the vets for routine things, its a good time to have them checked over
    to nip anything in the bud!
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    Dear Brian plse dont not get her heart checked,you'll be relieved for another year when its a good result however if its not you need to know & she would need the right meds.Take a deep breath & get it over with good luck for today
    Blessed by the love of a Cavalier!
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    Just for general information ,I just phoned AXA to see if annual boosters were also a condition of her insurance cover and they answered that if an animal was affected by a problem that would have been excluded by them having their annual booster then you would NOT be covered . That seems rather open to different interpretation but would you want to involve yourself in a dispute you probably would not win with your insurance company ,that comment seems like a get out comment that they could file away in the bottom draw and use if needed in the future. .Or then again if your vet agreed with you that there was no need for annual booster would you be covered as you would be taking your vet advice ,still seems very vague ,its a case of heads you lose and tails they win.
    Brian M

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    My boy has been vacinated every year since a pup and also had annual check ups each time. Pleae Brian get her heart checked each time, speaking with a dog with MVD and on meds for just over a year, if it`s nipped in the bud there is no reason for them not to have a normal life and be monitored regularly and have a better quality of life. Good luck and try not to worry.
    Last edited by jasperpaw; 22nd March 2010 at 02:27 PM. Reason: spelling

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    Definitely get her heart checked Brian,
    To be fair, any dog should have it's heart checked prior to vaccination and a quick examination to assess if it's fit for vaccination.
    I don't even have to ask my vet to check Daisy's heart,the moment she lands on the table in front of him it's the first thing he does...(because she's a cavalier)*
    Secondly,you're paying a consultation fee anyway,you may as well get the maximum value from your appointment.
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    All fine ,I think for my next pet I will go back to cats they are definitely easier and dont give all this heartache and worry .When she was checking Daisy's heart I was almost on my knees saying a prayer for good news only.
    Brian M

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