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    Yes sorry- broadbands been off all weekend= changed suppliers.
    Its definatly Mitral Valve Dispasia but he said that at the momment its very mild displasia. Birth defect by all accounts.
    He did say to me that although the problem is different from MVD as I know it the end result will probably be the same.
    He did say that he isnt a candidate for surgery due to his small frame but there are a few places where it can be done but he needs to grow 1st (he is only 6.6kg at the momment)
    At present he definatly isnt hindered at all as he is soooo energetic but Im doing a lot of reading on diet and controlled excersise and reading up on the problem aswell.

    pat do you have any advice at all? Should I get a second opinion or is it normal that we will continue and have another check in 6 months?

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    Karen I am so sorry that you are having so many problems with your dogs. I don't know if this helps at all but over 20 years ago I had a boxer puppy with a similar congenital problem. The local vet recommended it should be PTS but I contacted the Royal Veterinary College and they tried an experimental op, I think it was the first of its kind, and borrowed a balloon catheter from the neonatal unit at Guys Hospital and pushed it through the valve to open it. This is from memory, it was a long time ago.
    I can only tell you that Frolic never knew she had anything wrong with her, she never grew as big as my other boxers but she used to run and play without any sign of a problem for 6 years. She was never ill until the day I came home to find she had passed away suddenly in my absence.
    I am thinking of you and hoping for the best.
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    Karen,

    Thanks for your update. I think this is the first Cavalier puppy I've known to have mitral valve dysplasia. Good news that it is very mild. If the diagnostician is a cardiologist or internist I would feel comfortable that his diagnosis is correct and his follow-up recommendations are solid. He is right that prognosis/outcome would be similar to mitral valve disease, so we'll all hope that the progression will be slow since it's a mild case! Charlie could actually develop MVD over time and have both types of valve disease I suppose, but I wouldn't spend a lot of time worrying but just enjoy him and let him enjoy life as he obviously is doing!

    I would think long and hard about doing surgery even if it were available to you. Lots to consider - size is one problem as your specialist said - much more difficult surgery in a small dog. For me, cost would be prohibitive as I think it is something like $8,000 to $10,000 here in the US. I'd probably give him the best life that I could remembering that he is happy and not worried at all as a human might be about his lifespan.

    Judy - A common birth defect in boxers is aortic or pulmonic stenosis - this is where there is narrowing and/or blockage and the valve doesn't open properly. They do balloon valvuloplasty where they insert a catheter and pass a balloon thingy (technical term!) which expands and opens up the valve. This stenosis is the opposite problem of dysplasia where the valve leaflets are deformed and the valve leaks. The valvuloplasty surgery is much less invasive since they use the catheter - the valve replacement/repair surgery for leaking valves is open heart surgery with all that entails. Cost is much more too for open heart surgery procedures.

    I love boxers but won't have one again because of boxer DCM which is rampant in the breed (along with cancer). This is a type of dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM) complicated by arrhythmias (irregular heart rate); often the first symptom of this heart disease is when your boxer drops dead (no previous symptoms) - often in middle age - as you described with your boxer. If I had to choose between dilated cardiomyopathy and acquired valvular disease - I would absolutely pick acquired valvular disease!

    Best wishes to you and Charlie,

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    Hi Karen,
    I'm fairly new to this website and also to owning a dog, let alone a cute little cavalier! But I was reading your story and wanted to let you know I may be going through a very similar time. It seems that my Izzie is going through it, like your Charlie, and she is also very young, just a year old last week in fact. She has been diagnosed with a luxating patella, grade 2 and also a heart murmor. We are going to see a cardiologist on Tuesday for a consult and possibly a scan.
    All I can say is I am so upset and have spent most of the weekend crying! I can totally sympathise with you and Charlie as she is so young to be going through this. I really know how you feel, especially as they are still pups, they are so sweet and innocent. She looks up at me with her big eyes as if to say its okay I'm fine mum.. heart wrenching
    (and my dad has been really sick this past year too!)
    Hope you're doing okay, I'll keep you posted about Izzie ..
    kind regards Emma

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    Oh thanks Emma.
    Sorry to hear about Izzie. Its terrifying when you hear that they are sick. Dont panic too much about the murmor. Ive got a girl whos had a murmor for a couple of years and it hasnt progressed at all or worsened it that time either.
    There are lots of things you can do for the patella- ruby goes swimming once a week as we decided against surgery due to her other issues and she is doing really well with it. I also give her joint supplements and do lots of steady walking.
    She still enjoys Agility and Obedience and lives a really full life!

    Dont feel too down xx

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    Hi Karen,

    I don't have any advice to offer. I just wanted to say I am sorry you have all of this to worry about. Molly and Dougall sends love and licks.
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