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    Question Yelping when moved?

    Hello everyone,

    I have a 7 month old wonderful tri-color named Ruby. She is my first cavalier. I rescued her from a puppy mill that was shut down. I have had her since she was 10 weeks old, and so far life couldn't be better! For me and her.

    Starting about 3 weeks ago, I noticed she had a slight limp after a nap or rest in her kennel. I figured she probably just had a strain from running with her friends, or playing hard. The limp would go away after a few steps. About 2 weeks ago, the limp was gone but she now would yelp so loud when she would re-position herself on the sofa or on the bed. Now, this wasn't every single time, I'd say every few rests. In the last week, she has cried out once or twice while moving to a new spot during a rest. I have picked her up, tried to manipulate all her limbs and can't find the source of any pain.

    She does not scratch her neck, or have a single sign of this scary SM I've been learning about recently. But the cries are very worrisome. I will be taking her to the vet Tuesday. Any advice for talking with the vet? Should I ask her about SM? I don't want to jump the gun here, but now I'm just plain terrified.

    I should let you all know, she is quite a "drama queen" and would cry out for a full minute after getting her puppy shots. She runs and plays normally, she eats well, she's an absolute joy. I just am worried she hurts.

    I'm just looking for some advice or reassurance. Thanks for reading.

    --Jessie and Ruby

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    She needs to go immediately to a vet, so you have done exactly what you need to be doing for now. She is crying out in some sort of pain and needs that checked asap.

    To me and given her age, this sounds like she possibly has a luxatting patella. Otherwise it could be a host of things including possibly SM. Your vet will have quite a few things to consider before considering SM, so bring in the info to make sure the vet knows about SM (always a good idea for anyone with a cavalier to do this for any vet!) but I wouldn't expect that to be top of the list for a first investigation. I am pretty sure, and would nearly wager, the result you will get is a patella that may need surgical correction.
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    Ruby sounds lovely. Karlin is the expert and I agree totally with what she has said.

    I had the same with my Molly, when she moved she would scream with pain due to her patella. If Ruby is experiencing pain you must get her to the vets. If Ruby is vocalising pain, it must be pretty bad.
    Let us know how you get on. Good luck
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    Hello all,

    First of all thank you Karlin and Tania for writing to me so quickly regarding Ruby. We just got home from the vet, and here's the news...

    After a good check of Ruby's hind legs, the vet discovered two luxating patellas. One at a level 1 and the other at a level 2. We will be repairing the level 2 patella quite soon. --Wow Karlin, you really know your Cavaliers. Amazing.

    Here's the scarier part. Upon looking closely at Ruby's hips in an x-ray, the vet noticed her hip sockets looking quite unusually fuzzy. What she is concerned about is very early Degenerative Bone Disease. She has only seen this in very large dogs, never in a Cavalier. I looked, and it did seem odd. Being that she is not a radiologist, she has sent these out to a professional for a closer look. It seems so scary to only be 7 months old and have this, doesn't it? I'm hoping the radiologist sees this within the "realm of normal" and we'll be okay.

    Well, that is the news as of tonight. I have given Ruby her doggy-Ibuprofen and a Tramadol and she is cozy chewing on her bone by the fire. Funny, the poor thing is just a baby still teething and all and to be going through all this. Thanks for writing and the kind words earlier, it really helped.

    I'll be updating you all soon.

    Take care,

    Jessie and of course, Ruby

    --Oh, just wondering, I can't seem to see my profile picture. (it's of Ruby!) Any ideas? It said it posted successfully... hmmmm...

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    Hi Jessie, it is more that luxating patellas are a pretty common diagnosis for a dog under age one that is having on and off pain problems of the type you describe so I could make a pretty good guess! We have a lot of people here who have had the surgery done' search the word patella and you will find some threads on caring for dogs post surgery and what to expect, etc.

    I think maybe you confused your profile picture and your avatar -- they are two different things. The profile picture appears only on your profile page and in the member list; your avatar needs to be set up separately in your User CP.
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    Sorry to hear about this - but really it is better news to be dealing with patellas than SM. Generally the surgery for correcting patellas is pretty successful.

    It is a concern about the hip sockets though - I hope it isn't too bad.

    I did have a Cavalier with patella probelms and hip dysplasia - generally hip dysplasia isn't picked up in small breeds, as it doesn't cause too many problems until they are older, and is then dismissed as arthritis.


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    Smile Ruby's diagnosis!

    Well, here's the final outcome...

    We went to see the specialist yesterday, a very top-notch orthopedic surgeon/neurologist. He had a good look at Ruby and said her knees were just fine and no cause for alarm. That was the good news. The bad news is about her little hips. She has pretty serious hip dysplasia. So, here's what we have to do: No more running, only leash walks. Rimadyl (doggie ibuprofen) everyday, and the walks can be no more than 20 minutes 2 times a day. It's not likely she could be a candidate for hip replacement surgery based on her size (she's no Great Dane after all!) and the odd placement of her hips. (they basically "float" outside of the socket)
    So, we are going to be modifying things a bit, but thankfully no signs of SM, or having a poor quality of life.
    I love this little dog so much it's unreal. it's hard to imagine not letting her run at the beach when I go out surfing, and going doggie-crazy on a wooded trail. (she's just a baby!) I hope she will not be too depressed. Do any of you have any experience with hip issues? Advice? Words of wisdom? I just want Ruby to have the best life she can. I think I'm giving it to her, but any tips on this new development would be great!
    I really love this forum and am so grateful for all the messages so far! Thanks for reading!

    Jessie and Ruby

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    Wow -- surprising there is such difference of opinion as knees are not that hard to diagnose -- maybe when the vet pulled at them he got a reaction that was similar to luxation due to painful hips -- odd! Poor little thing; that is a tough diagnosis as sometimes you cannot do too much. However you might get a second opinion -- I know a few people who have had hip surgery done on cavaliers and indeed Leah on the board here is about to have it done.

    I'd want to check back with the surgeon's office first and clarify whether he just feels the breed is the issue, or whether it is the particular case and the state of her hips.

    Now: the good news is even if she is inoperable dogs have other options! For example, loads learn to use a cart and I have seen videos of dogs flying down the beach, chasing balls, etc using a good cart. There is one type that is really excellent and actually can be set to allow dogs with some leg mobility to use them to some degree.

    To be honest: I would likely be more inclined to use a cart and avoid this complex surgery myself in some situations anyway, if there wouldn't be any significant discomfort to the dog in not doing surgery. If there isn't an option, then I would certainly check out these carts. I am going to go look for the link for you.
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    To me these sound the best, with semi-support for rear legs if needed:

    http://www.eddieswheels.com/

    But there is also this this company:

    http://www.k9-carts.com/

    Videos of Eddie's Wheels dogs -- you can see they can do pretty much everything in a cart!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ps0lCuSS5Q

    Check out the change from this little guy's first use of his cart, and a bit later!

    First testrun:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SelN1bWm3V8
    Later:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8rG1QDqfrc&NR=1
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    Red face Ruby

    Karlin, thanks so much for those links! I watched the video clips and looked at the Eddie's Wheels website as well. As far as Ruby's hips go, it isn't her breed, but the way her hips are made, she's got an interesting set-up. I agree, the cart as opposed to surgery may be the way to go. I love that she'd be able to go fast and even chase her brothers around! (I also have two big dogs, a lab mix and a beagle-shepard mix...they LOVE her!)

    You really made my day with those links and the message, Karlin. It's so nice to know Ruby and I have a friend in Ireland. Take care and I hope you and your doggie crew are well when you read this!

    Have a happy weekend!

    Jessie and Ruby (the wonder rescue dog!)

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