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    Default New Guidelines for the Diagnosis and Treatment of MVD

    A panel of leading veterinary cardiologists (Atkins, Bonagura, Ettinger, Fox, Gordon, Haggstrom, Hamlin, Keene, Luis-Fuentes, and Stepien) have just published a Consensus Statement on "Guidelines for the Diagnosis and Treatment of Canine Chronic Valvular Heart Disease." It discusses classifying the degree of progression of MVD -- Stages A, B1, B2, C, and D -- and the types of treatment recommended for each stage.

    In the report, Cavaliers are singled out for special attention. For example, every CKCS which does not have an MVD murmur is in the Stage A classification.

    The Guidelines are summarized at http://cavalierhealth.org/mitral_val...nsus_Statement (or http://tinyurl.com/ycexlj9 for short)

    and a pdf of the report is available, for a short time only, at http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/c...04679/PDFSTART

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    Very interesting! I sent that to my vets.

    Sad that cavaliers alone are singled out on the basis that it can be assumed they ALL fall into the 'may not have MVD yet but can be assumed that they will get it.'
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    Just wonder if the Comment about All Cavaliers can be assumed to get MVD ,is because there are maybe so many Carriers of MVD Genes around to-day since the Heart Problem has been known about in our Cavalier Breed from the 1940's.

    Could I include the mention also in this Post about SM, others have claimed about SM being in other Breeds ,but I think that Neurologists agree that it is worse in the Cavalier Breed.

    Is this because ,as I have read in different Cavalier Books, that the Cavalier Breed is what is described as a Man Made Breed, this began in the 1930's ,whan Cavaliers Heads were altered from the King Charles Spaniels 'Dome Heads ,to get the Flat Type of Head Required for the Cavalier Breed.
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    Responding to Bet's question, looking at paintings and old photos, it is the King Charles which is the 'man-made breed', since their domed heads and flat faces only start appearing around the 1880s, when breeds with this type of head from the Far East (such as Pekingese and Japanese Chins) were first brought to England and became very fashionable; the Charlies' heads were probably the result of cross-breeding. So the efforts to breed King Charles with the old-style flat heads (later classified as a separate breed called Cavalier King Charles Spaniels) was an attempt to breed back to the old type, in response to the American Roswell Eldridge's prize at Crufts for the best old type toy spaniel. So the early Cavaliers were essentially throw outs from Charlie litters who had thrown back to the long nosed, flat-headed type. Talking to a friend who has both Cavaliers and Charlies, there is quite a lot of SM in their breed as well (though they are of course numerically very much smaller than Cavaliers, so the numbers with SM are correspondingly smaller) - so perhaps that's where the Chiari Malformation in Cavaliers came from!

    There is a useful history of the breed (based on latest research and club archives) and fascinating photos of the first 'resurrected' Cavaliers and the first shows in the Millennium edition of the Cavalier Club Year Book. Incidentally, it's interesting, looking at the photo of Ann's Son who was the model for the Cavalier breed standard, to see how narrow his skull was compared with many of today's (though the angle of the photo rather distorts his head shape, unfortunately). He was such a pretty dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kate H View Post
    it is the King Charles which is the 'man-made breed', since their domed heads and flat faces only start appearing around the 1880s, when breeds with this type of head from the Far East (such as Pekingese and Japanese Chins) were first brought to England and became very fashionable; the Charlies' heads were probably the result of cross-breeding.
    I think that a fashion started, and I will go somewhat off topic as some may find this interesting but I will include some information about Pekingese dogs in history.

    Things seemed to start with people in the UK plus elsewhere wanting things like tea, spices, silk and porcelain from China where the British initially paid for this with Silver. Later as the quantities dramatically increased and there was less Silver left the currency paid to China then became Opium from India, in particular from what is today Pakistan and Afghanistan region plus there was also some Opium from Turkey. I am talking about each year heaps of tons of Opium. The Chinese Emperor seeing heaps of his people in all classes using Opium recreationally and this too often plus the corruption that was going on then decided to stop the trade, that led to what was called "The Opium Wars".

    During the Second Opium War, in 1860, the Forbidden City was invaded by Allied troops, including British. The Emperor Xianfeng had fled with all of his court. However, an elderly aunt of the emperor remained. When the ‘foreign devils’ entered, she committed suicide. She was found with her five Pekingese mourning her passing. They were removed by the Allies before the Old Summer Palace was burnt. The invaders also removed many other valuable things before torching the Palace.

    Lord John Hay took a pair of the Pekingese, later called ‘Schloff’, and ‘Hytien’ and gave them to his sister, the Duchess of Wellington, wife of Henry Wellesley, 3rd Duke of Wellington. Sir George Fitzroy took another pair, and gave them to his cousins, the Duke and Duchess of Richmond and Gordon. Lieutenant Dunne presented the fifth Pekingese to Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom, who named it LOOTY.

    Yes when dogs such as these were shown around by these people then others wanted them where a fashion started. Back then cross breeding commonly occurred even to produce certain looks that were in fashion.
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    Kate mentioned ANN'S SON, I think I have mentioned this before, Miss Mostyn Walker ,the Owner and Breeder of Ann's Son, has cataghorically said , Ann's Son was a Papillion.

    Thanks EddyAnne for your mention of the Pekes.

    Is not the Problem with the Cavaliers ,it was Man Made only about 70 years ago, in the 1930's, could this be when the first of the Problems began for Cavaliers with their Malformed Bone, then the SM Problem was either made much worse or introduced by the Heads of Cavaliers becoming Smaller in the 1980's .

    I wonder if this is the look that appealed to Cavalier Breeders ,not because they liked it especially ,but because , this Smaller Cavalier Head began to Win at Cavalier Shows.

    When you think about it, all that is important for many Cavalier Breeders ,is their Show Winning Sucesses.

    Is this why many Cavalier Breeders are so against the APGAW's Recommendations, that before Cavaliers are made up to be Champions ,they have to be Health Tested.

    Could this just maybe be the Reason why our Cavaliers are suffering so much Pain from SM and MVD , is to satisfy the Egos of a number of Cavalier Breeders who attend the Cavalier Shows.

    The Health Problems of our Cavalier Breed can't be blamed on Cavalier Pet Owners, we are being left with with the Tears and Heart Ache seeing the suffering of Beloved Cavaliers caused by the Breeding of Cavaliers by a number of Cavalier Breeders,.
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    Aren't ALL purebred dogs MAN MADE by definition???

    Anne's Son a Pappillon?? It has been said that his Sire may have been a pappillon! but as far as I know it has not been confirmed.

    It does seem to be a matter of opinion on whether the cavalier head is smaller now. In the past there was greater diversity in size shape of cavalier heads, and cavaliers in general. (And still is outside the show ring) The Classic head is still a classic head - and can be seen at any large show you may care to attend.

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    Yorkie Sue ,
    When I said Cavaliers were Man Made, I don't know of another Breed that was Man Made only 70 years ago. Perhaps some-body could put me right about this.

    About Ann's Son, this has been written about in Bruce Field's Book,The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel ,

    About the Cavaliers having Smaller Skulls than 20 years ago ,we had'nt been to any Cavalier Shows for about 15 years, 2 years ago we wen't to a Cavalier Champ Show at Lanark, that was the first thing that I noticed ,how much Smaller the Cavaliers' Heads were.

    If you Read the APGAW Report ,this has been mentioned in it, the Cavalier heads are too Small for their Brains, Dr C Rusbridge has also mentioned this in in a Recently Published Neurological Veterinary Paper, maybe more will be being said about this at her forth-coming Seminar.

    Dr C Rusbridge also gave Oral Information to the APGAW Committee , whether this fact was mentioned ,I have no idea. , but she did say on the PDE TV Film , the Cavalier Brain was like getting a size 10 Foot into a sizw 6 Shoe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bet View Post
    Miss Mostyn Walker ,the Owner and Breeder of Ann's Son, has cataghorically said , Ann's Son was a Papillion.
    I thought that this was a photo of Ann's Son, if not then please let me know.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EddyAnne View Post
    I thought that this was a photo of Ann's Son, if not then please let me know.


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    Yes this is a photo of Ann's son. It will be up to individuals to draw conclusions as to how much pappillon this dog displays.

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