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    Hello all, my little Todo had severe pain late last year which was operated on ( fenestration ). His improvement was very slow, and lately he has started to go back to the same problems. He can be withdrawn, unsettled, sits close to the radiator, then cools down, but he can sit there on the night panting, which I an taking as he is in discomfort. I have 3 other dogs and they do not suffer, so it can't be the heating, we bring him water, he doesn't want that.
    The vet did discuss an ventral slot operation. I am not keen to put him through that, but my wife who is with him all day says he is definately going back over. She had been scared by reading and being told that dogs can tolerate pain / discomfort, then one day they just give up fighting. I wan to give him the best chance I can, he is such a special friend.

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    Hi again: so sorry to hear he is having problems again.

    I think you need to get specialist support here -- he sounds in a lot of pain and that needs to be assessed so you can make some informed choices on care.

    I do recall that there was a long discussion here on symptoms and his diagnosis before, and a few of us thought he really needed assessment by a neurologist familiar with syringomyelia. I can only say that I would once again stress this as an important option, and add that I think this is a a very urgent need, given that you have seen a return of the discomfort and problems. I would do this before even considering allowing further surgery of any sort by a vet. The surgeries may be causing the decline if he has SM, as they could cause additional pain and difficulty.

    I just have a gut feeling the wrong condition was treated -- but either way he needs professional assessment and care especially painkillers most immediately. Let us know what you learn.
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    I agree with Karlin. I think an urgent visit to the vet for pain killers would be the first thing I would do then ask to see a consultant.

    I made a youtube of something I do for Dylan. I found this helped relax Dylan when he was distressed or uncomfortable. It usually made him so relaxed he'd be snoring within a minute. On this film however he was eager to go do something else. Anyway it might help a little, can't hurt trying.

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    Oliver had ventral slot decompression for herniated cervical discs just this past December. He was in constant pain even with enforced rest, painkillers and steroids before the surgery (we thought it was his back) and is doing absolutely great right now - totally pain free. However, we went to a neurologist to evaluate his pain. The orthopedic specialist he was seeing for his back actually referred us to the neurologist. Oliver had an MRI to rule out syringomyelia as the cause of his pain. That is when they found that he has no syrinxes, so no SM, but he had herniated discs in his neck that were putting a lot of pressure on his spinal cord. His neurologist felt that he couldn't really give an accurate diagnosis or treatment plan without evaluating for SM first. Even though Oliver is almost 9 years old, he came through the MRI and his surgery with flying colors. The neurologist did the surgery.

    Please take Karlin's advice and get Todo to a neurologist, soon. He doesn't have to be in so much pain. This way you can also be sure that the right condition is treated. If it is determined that Todo needs ventral slot decompression, you can PM me to talk about Oliver's surgery and recovery. Good luck.
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    Thanks for all the rapid replies. He isn't always in obvious discomfort, but would panting be a true indication of pain. When he is panting, he is not restless, it seems to be at the same time each night. The overall symtoms are just gradually becoming noticable. How would I find a local neurologist?, his surgeon was a soft tissue expert, not sure what the other vet specialised in. the MRI scan was clear, and about 2-3 weeks later he had a CT scan ( I think, it was last year )

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    I'm sorry Todo is having difficulty.

    Panting can also be a sign of heart disease. Has the vet listened to his heart for a murmur?
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    Quote Originally Posted by *Pauline* View Post
    I agree with Karlin. I think an urgent visit to the vet for pain killers would be the first thing I would do then ask to see a consultant.

    I made a youtube of something I do for Dylan. I found this helped relax Dylan when he was distressed or uncomfortable. It usually made him so relaxed he'd be snoring within a minute. On this film however he was eager to go do something else. Anyway it might help a little, can't hurt trying.

    CLICK HERE.
    Thats really interesting Pauline. I'm guessing that you are rubbing a reflexology spot?
    I met a man in the park the other day, whose CKCS also has SM, he told me that he rubs the dogs' ear to help calm him down when he is in pain. I will have to try it for Bosco.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlifarley View Post
    Thats really interesting Pauline. I'm guessing that you are rubbing a reflexology spot?
    I met a man in the park the other day, whose CKCS also has SM, he told me that he rubs the dogs' ear to help calm him down when he is in pain. I will have to try it for Bosco.
    It's more of a firm but gentle squeeze between two fingers.

    Notice the same point on a human is for nervousness. Not saying it takes away SM pain but it calms.
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    Gently pulling the ears works the same for horses - makes them relax.

    Kate, Oliver and Aled

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    Quote Originally Posted by gentess1 View Post
    How would I find a local neurologist?, his surgeon was a soft tissue expert, not sure what the other vet specialised in. the MRI scan was clear, and about 2-3 weeks later he had a CT scan ( I think, it was last year )
    Hi, here is a link that has a list of specialists. I got this from The Cavalier Club Website.

    http://www.vetindex.co.uk/vetindex/neuro_ref.htm

    I will keep my fingers crossed.

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