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    I am surprised there wasn't some sort of covered area outside provided, or that anyone deciding to remain outside with dogs out in cages -- especially a short-nosed breed that can have problems breathing in high heat, and where heat is recognised to aggravate SM and MVD in the breed -- wouldn't have shade coverings for the crates, crate fans, etc.

    I think only a vet would have been able to determine whether dogs were distressed -- having seen dogs play in the sun and end up with heat stroke -- as like kids they are not particularly able to make good decisions for themselves and of course, could make none at all if they were confined to a crate. (Are there no vet inspectors present at large dog shows?) If announcements were repeatedly made to please bring dogs inside to more appropriate and comfortable surroundings, then that suggests organisers did indeed have concerns about the welfare of dogs left in direct sun (which would be common sense for any dog owner) and indicates there were some people simply ignoring a pretty obvious welfare precaution. You;d hardly have left young children sitting in full sunlight wearing the equivalent of heavy winter coats.

    But why did no one actually force people to move to a safer area for the dogs? Tannoy announcements were clearly ignored. Surely show monitors could have gone up and required people not do something as stupid as leave their dogs to roast in cages in direct sun?
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    I would completely agree Kate.
    Of course there's an increased risk to dogs when the temperatures are so high,but what matters is how you manage the risk.
    Any photos that I've seen clearly show dogs in crates covered against direct sunlight and/or under parasols.Even the ring appears to have been under a covered pavilion.
    No photos proving anything to the contrary have emerged into the public domain,so we must bear in mind that in the absence of conclusive proof,noone can say for certainty that any animal's welfare was compromised.
    Unless of course they were there and saw it first hand....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kate H View Post
    Before accusing show people generally of being irresponsible, I would want to know how many Cavaliers entered were actually absent - in other words, how many responsible owners decided not to travel with their dogs (which means quite a financial loss with Ch show entries around 23 a class). This should be noted on the judge's report for each class, online and in the dog press - it will be interesting to see whether the absentee rate was higher than usual. It's not just a matter of keeping dogs cool at the show; air conditioning helps in a car while you're travelling, but what if there's an accident and you are stuck in slow-moving or immobile traffic for several hours? I know some show people who are simply not travelling any distance with their dogs.

    I've seen plenty of pet owners in the last few weeks dragging their poor dogs around town in the middle of the day, and I doubt if many of them think to carry water with them. Yesterday was a bit cooler than Saturday in the Midlands, so Oliver, Aled and I joined some others on the Pets as Therapy stand at the Dogs Trust Open Day - one of our best events for interesting new, much-needed volunteers; we worked very hard to keep our dogs comfortable, keeping them under the gazebo or in shade, giving them plenty of water, rotating which ones were 'on duty' at the front of the stand, and doing very little walking with them, and they all seemed to manage OK. But agility in that heat?!! Enough to give any breed a heart problem!

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    When we went to Shows ,it's maybe different now-days, we had to send our Entrance Fee before the Show took place.

    In the 30 or so years that we had our Pet Cavaliers, when it was very warm , and we do have it warm some-times in Scotland,it was a case of them doing their Toilet and then back into the House.

    We never would subject them to 90 degrees .

    I feel that there has been mention about being a Responsible Cavalier or Breeder, well I for sure know now who comes into this catogary, not the Cavalier Owners or Breeders who put their Cavaliers in Cages, in the direct Sun of 90 degrees

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    i think show people and dogs-sports peaople are a lot alike. some of them, at least.
    if you see your dog mainly as a tool to obtain results, acceptance, and so on, you'll subject him to things like this.

    we were supposed to be at a competition 2 weeks ago. it was very hot the day before before the weather forecast said 98degrees fahrenheit. so i cancelled. there was quite some grumbling about this!! from other dog-people!

    i found that strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renate View Post
    i think show people and dogs-sports peaople are a lot alike. some of them, at least.
    if you see your dog mainly as a tool to obtain results, acceptance, and so on, you'll subject him to things like this.

    we were supposed to be at a competition 2 weeks ago. it was very hot the day before before the weather forecast said 98degrees fahrenheit. so i cancelled. there was quite some grumbling about this!! from other dog-people!

    i found that strange.
    The Cavalier SHOW SCENE.

    Been onto the Kennel Club about the Heat on Saturday and Cavaliers being stuck in Cages in the Blistering Heat.

    I don't think ,if the Heat is ever as Hot as it was on Saturday at the East of England, this will ever be allowed to happen again for Cavaliers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bet View Post
    The Cavalier SHOW SCENE.

    Been onto the Kennel Club about the Heat on Saturday and Cavaliers being stuck in Cages in the Blistering Heat.

    I don't think ,if the Heat is ever as Hot as it was on Saturday at the East of England, this will ever be allowed to happen again for Cavaliers.

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    THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

    A warning has just appeared on the UK CKCS CLUB Web Site, from the Kennel Club,I think it is Relevant as to what happened at the East Of England Championship Show on Saturday ,when the Temperature was in the 90's, and some Cavaliers were stuck in Cages in the Blistering Heat.

    I know that the Kennel Club made mention about the Dangers of Dogs in Cars in Hot Weather, but they also mentioned about about Competors or Exhibitors not co-operating with Specific Requests made by the Show Orginizers.

    I take this could apply to the Cavalier Exhibitors who were asked by the Show Committee because of the Extreme Heat, to put their Dogs in the Cool Building provided by the Show Committee ,.

    This seemed to have been ignored by those Cavalier Exhibitors who had their Cavaliers in Cages ,in the 90 Degree Temperature.

    The Kennel Club now say ,that under the Kennel Club Rule A42,if a warning is ignored , in the Hot Weather ,then the Exhibitor can be fined 300.

    The Kennel Club finishes their Article by saying.

    That it is a Pity that it is Necessary to Issue such a Threat ,but the Kennel Club will maintain ZERO TOLERANCE over such Breaches of the Regulations ,and Action will be taken as necesssary .

    Those who choose to Ignore this have been Warned.

    For the UK CKCS CLUB to have put this on their Web Site, must be taking this matter seriously as well.

    Hope-fully no Cavalier will ever again have to be stuck in a Cage in Hot Weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bet View Post
    THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

    A warning has just appeared on the UK CKCS CLUB Web Site, from the Kennel Club,I think it is Relevant as to what happened at the East Of England Championship Show on Saturday ,when the Temperature was in the 90's, and some Cavaliers were stuck in Cages in the Blistering Heat.

    I know that the Kennel Club made mention about the Dangers of Dogs in Cars in Hot Weather, but they also mentioned about about Competors or Exhibitors not co-operating with Specific Requests made by the Show Orginizers.

    I take this could apply to the Cavalier Exhibitors who were asked by the Show Committee because of the Extreme Heat, to put their Dogs in the Cool Building provided by the Show Committee ,.

    This seemed to have been ignored by those Cavalier Exhibitors who had their Cavaliers in Cages ,in the 90 Degree Temperature.

    The Kennel Club now say ,that under the Kennel Club Rule A42,if a warning is ignored , in the Hot Weather ,then the Exhibitor can be fined 300.

    The Kennel Club finishes their Article by saying.

    That it is a Pity that it is Necessary to Issue such a Threat ,but the Kennel Club will maintain ZERO TOLERANCE over such Breaches of the Regulations ,and Action will be taken as necesssary .

    Those who choose to Ignore this have been Warned.

    For the UK CKCS CLUB to have put this on their Web Site, must be taking this matter seriously as well.

    Hope-fully no Cavalier will ever again have to be stuck in a Cage in Hot Weather.

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    THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE.

    I notice that some remarks have been made by Cavalier Owners who attend Cavalier Shows in Extreme Heat, and say that they have Never seen a Cavalier Stressed by by Temperatures of around 90 Degrees.

    My comment to that ,is Well those Cavalier Show Goers would say that Would'nt They. !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bet View Post
    THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE.

    I notice that some remarks have been made by Cavalier Owners who attend Cavalier Shows in Extreme Heat, and say that they have Never seen a Cavalier Stressed by by Temperatures of around 90 Degrees.

    My comment to that ,is Well those Cavalier Show Goers would say that Would'nt They. !!!!

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    THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

    If I have made Cavalier Owners aware of the Dangers of Extreme Heat for their Cavaliers ,and my Thoughts can help the Suffering for Cavaliers in Hot Temperature Conditions, then I am Happy.

    Because I know what our Cavaliers went through when there were High Temperatures especially if they had a Heart Problem,it was a Worrying Time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bet View Post
    THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

    If I have made Cavalier Owners aware of the Dangers of Extreme Heat for their Cavaliers ,and my Thoughts can help the Suffering for Cavaliers in Hot Temperature Conditions, then I am Happy.

    Because I know what our Cavaliers went through when there were High Temperatures especially if they had a Heart Problem,it was a Worrying Time.

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    THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE


    I think you will all know how strongly I have felt about the Cavaliers being stuck in Cages in the 90 Degree Temperatures at the East Of England Show last week.

    In this week's DOG WORLD ,the treament of Dogs at Shows in Hot Weather Conditions are the Headlines.

    The Focus is on Folk who leave their Dogs in Cars.

    As I mentioned in a Previous Post about contacting the Kennel Club saying that it had appeared on a Cavalier Forum that there were Cavaliers who were stuck in Cages in the Heat at the East of England Show last Saturday, I was told that they were aware about what had been Posted on that Forum ,and it had been noted, so I guess it won't just be Dogs in Cars who will be subjected to Scrutiny but hope-fully the Cavaliers if any are ever again left in Cages in Hot Weather .

    Surely for Cavaliers ,when they are well known to be Susceptible to MVD , they should NOT be being Subjected to be being taken to Shows in Hot Weather.

    Glad the Kennel Club is on my Side about this.

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    Default The CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

    Quote Originally Posted by Bet View Post
    THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE


    I think you will all know how strongly I have felt about the Cavaliers being stuck in Cages in the 90 Degree Temperatures at the East Of England Show last week.

    In this week's DOG WORLD ,the treament of Dogs at Shows in Hot Weather Conditions are the Headlines.

    The Focus is on Folk who leave their Dogs in Cars.

    As I mentioned in a Previous Post about contacting the Kennel Club saying that it had appeared on a Cavalier Forum that there were Cavaliers who were stuck in Cages in the Heat at the East of England Show last Saturday, I was told that they were aware about what had been Posted on that Forum ,and it had been noted, so I guess it won't just be Dogs in Cars who will be subjected to Scrutiny but hope-fully the Cavaliers if any are ever again left in Cages in Hot Weather .

    Surely for Cavaliers ,when they are well known to be Susceptible to MVD , they should NOT be being Subjected to be being taken to Shows in Hot Weather.

    Glad the Kennel Club is on my Side about this.

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    THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

    This subject is now being discussed on the DOG WORLD Forum, where mention was made that Cavalier Exhibitors spend a Fortune on Cool Mats ,Cool Coats, Fans ,Heat Deflecting Cage Covers for their Cavaliers that they take to the Shows,.

    So they must be concerned that the Hot Wearher could be having Risks for their Cavaliers.

    If that is the case why do they take their Cavaliers to Shows in Hot Weather,

    Why not just leave them at Home. !!!

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