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    Firstly, please try not to judge me too harshly, though I completely understand if you do. I bought August from someone who was in need of the money (greatly discounted) for various reasons, and despite how stupid it was to do so - he is my responsibility now, so I am living with my poor decision.


    Basically, I wish to know what you think about August being 100% pure Cavalier.


    Here is a simple time line to sum things up (as I managed to lose the text of my original post, thanks Firefox!):

    -July 15th, contacted "breeder" whose information read, "Wormed and vet checked. Partly house trainned. Both parents can be seen. I have mums papers cant find dads hence the price. Ready to go"

    -July 16th - August 1st, communicated various times via phone with the "breeder." Became apparent that it was an accidental breeding, and I saw these photos:
    The Father:

    The Mother and August:

    I was immediately worried about the very long muzzle and the fact that he just did not look right at all, but my partner did not understand my concerns so I thought that I was just being silly and we decided to take the plunge and go and get August on the 1st.
    -August 1st, we went and met the man and his dogs. Both 'parents' were lovely, looked great examples of the breed and were very sweet and well-kept. I absolutely fell in love with August upon sight, so all was well (saw the Mother's pedigree papers, the fact that they had lost the Father's in their recent moved seemed believable) and off we went.
    -August 2nd and onwards, my concerns about his appearance remained and I kept politely questioning his purity as a Cavalier. The "breeder" said that the breeding was purely accidental (AKA 'irresponsible'), that the male 'got out' and ended up 'knotting' the female and he has not changed his story at all despite my obvious concerns about August not looking like other Cavalier puppies. (I've even bumped into a Cavalier owner and had them be surprised when they asked what breed he was!)

    He has just turned 15-weeks-old, and things will be much clearer when he is an adult and I can see the full extent of his hair growth, size, muzzle, etc. but in the mean time I was wondering what you all think.

    Either way, I love him to bits and fully accept responsibility for what has happened, so I just wish to move on and do the best I can with what I have.

    Thanks so much in advance!

    Here he is:


















    And a video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoFUJgEt9Tg

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    August is adorable! And it sounds like he has a fantastic home.

    Don't be too hard on yourself -- there are people out there who are not very reputable. I think you probably encountered such a person.

    There are two options: the 'parents' as shown are definitely full cavalier. There could be a small chance that somewhere in the background of one was a cross that has resurfaced in August -- this can happen but I think it pretty unlikely.

    The other option is more likely the case I think, given the line about the man not being able to find the father's papers etc... (which conveniently means he cannot register August). I would guess he is probably a little jack russell/cavalier cross -- his legs and muzzle to me look like that might be the mix. I see quite a lot of cavalier crosses out and about as a lot of Irish people do not spay/neuter their dogs and cavaliers are a popular breed -- hence the crosses.

    I would check to see if the breeder is either registering puppies with the kennel Club or is a CKCS Breed Club member -- as then, you can file a complaint. You may be able to go through small claims to for fraud. I would not give August back under any circumstances and it doesn't sound as if you would ever be willing to! But I think you have a case for demanding your money back or at least some of it.

    We are happy to have crosses here too . I rehome a few through my cavalier rescue too, now and again!
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    I have to say whether August is 100% a cavalier or if he is a cross breed, he is ADORABLE!! Can I have him??

    to me he looks like a cross breed either with a Jack Russell or maybe a beagle type, but who cares he is a stunner, and you & him are happy, and he will give you loads of years of love and kisses! His nose and eyes are very JRT, but there is something about him that reminds me of a Beagle-but honestly what do I know?

    I am true believer that our dogs pick us and not the other way around, so for whatever reason, August sent messages to you for you to find him! Congratulations on your new puppy
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    Thank you!

    I'm definitely going to think long and hard about what I will eventually do about this, in regards to the "breeder." As I find it so unlikely that August is pure Cavalier, and the chance of deception seems so high every time I look at his little face.

    I feel somewhat betrayed, but at the same time cannot be too bothered because he's such a perfect little guy.

    I agree with the Jack Russell sentiment! His muzzle and face in general seem very Jack Russell-ish to me, and as he gets older hopefully his size will tell a little more in that regard.

    As for Beagle.. Well, a woman yesterday said that she thought he looked part Daschund. I haven't got a clue! XD
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    His colouring would suit JRT too. He has a dreamy little face!

    I think he will be a fun mix -- all the fun and activity of a jrt, and the sweetness of a cavalier!
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    I decided to contact the "breeder" with this message,

    "Hey there,

    E-mailing you as my partner (who has been the one texting you previously) is at work at the moment.

    Whilst I desperately wish to believe that August (the puppy) was the result of an accidental breeding between your Cavaliers (who look perfect examples of the breed), he is very obviously not a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, but a cross of some kind.

    Whilst there is a chance that there could be some cross-breeding in the Father's history (suggesting that you deceived me about his pedigree), or your female has been mated by another dog.

    What that other breed is is a mystery, hopefully as August grows it shall become more obvious, but currently both his face (muzzle especially) and body suggest perhaps part Jack Russell. (Some have suggested maybe even a bit of Beagle or Daschund.)

    As such, I wish to hear the truth. I will not be returning August as I love him regardless, however I may wish to seek some form of compensation. I would love to give you the chance to explain, though. (It would be interesting to hear the opinions of the owners of the other puppies, too.)

    Sincerest apologies if I am wrong, but it seems immensely unlikely.

    I await your response."


    It bothers me quite a lot not to have a full Cavalier, as I did so much research into the breed and chose it especially as they suit my lifestyle so much, but I know that I will not regret owning August.

    My parents had a JRT cross when I was a kid, and she was the most amazing dog.

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    I think your email is very good!! People should be honest about their puppies!

    That aside, August looks lovely- I think as others definately a cross but a smashing puppy too.

    I have a friend who wanted a cavalier puppy. She ended up with a cross (Knowingly) Her Barney looks like a large Jack Russell with blenheim markings including his spot!! He's been a fantastic dog and is still going strong at 15! We had a conversation the other day about him and the fact that a pure Cav would probably not make that age or be as sprightly so she's had her lovely dog for a lovely long time )

    August looks far more Cav than my friends dog, maybe in a few years you can get him a Cavvie friend?? Cassie and my Barney are lovely together......Take care, Teresa...xx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan Dorian View Post
    Thank you!

    As for Beagle.. Well, a woman yesterday said that she thought he looked part Daschund. I haven't got a clue! XD

    that first pic that you have with the guy and the pup, the pup looks like a daschund, we have a daschund and your pup body shape looks very much the same, still very cute

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    Hello, firstly let me say how cute your puppy is and looks very sweet natured in the video.

    I think he may have something other than Cavalier in him, I'm going on the muzzle and short legs. I think maybe Jack Russell? I wouldn't worry, there is nothing you can do now. Just try to put it out of your mind and if it makes you feel any better say he's a Cavalier cross. Sorry if that's not the answer you were hoping for.
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