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    Quote Originally Posted by Karlin View Post
    If breed club members want their pleas about puppy farms not to sound just like a hollow spin exercise to deflect attention from the serious health issues in the breed, then they absolutely cannot have one set of standards for welfare, cruelty, neglect, abuse and the evils of puppy farming for everyone else, then another standard when it applies to 'their own'. To re-elevate someone who was convicted in a public court of 83 -- 83!!! -- counts of cruelty -- on the basis that well, she really does like dogs and it was all a misunderstanding and the person was just overwhelmed... just beggars belief.

    This was not someone caring for say, rescue dogs who might accidently end up suddenly inundated with too many to manage, but someone *breeding and selling these dogs* over time. One does not end up with 83 dogs, much less 83 neglected dogs, simply because a family member is ill and you forget to look after them. It takes a lot of time to accumulate that number. Few show breeders would ever have such numbers, and you'd need a large hygienic kennel to keep so many. Not stacks of filthy plastic dog crates. This was large scale neglect which is why 83 separate counts were brought against this woman and why 83 counts were upheld. By contrast the notorious Michael Vick faced nothing like as many counts of cruelty.

    It is truly an indictment of the legal system though if judges only think this level of neglect warrants just banning someone from owning a dog for two years and a tiny fine. Consider what the taxpayer had to pay to cover the costs of rescuing 83 dogs. I know what the cost is for ONE dog -- on a very conservative estimate I would guess the ultimate cost was close to if not more likely well over 10,000.

    Curious that it was our old friend, the Kennel Club's Caroline Kisco, who also defended her judging at Crufts only two weeks before her conviction on the basis that she hadn't yet been proven guilty. Had the person been a teacher or carer charged on 83 counts of cruelty, they would have at least been suspended from duty til after the outcome. Astonishing that the Kennel Club defended having such a person judging when they knew the trial involved 83 counts of cruelty to dogs!! But how much has that whole 'protect our own and blame the outsiders' system changed if this woman is back being rolled out as a judge and given prominent recognition at the Blenheim show? What does that say about any commitment to the dogs as opposed to the people in the show world who are not just quietly supported but publicly re-elevated despite, let me say it again, conviction on 83 separate counts of cruelty to the very breeds they judge. Surely the breed club and decent breeders must draw a line somewhere -- and the world can only judge it immoral not to draw it at a point that stops such a person from ever judging the breed she was convicted of *abusing*!!

    I am glad that Blenheim clearly provided a wonderful opportunity to cherish and celebrate this breed -- but it has also provided yet another appalling own goal for the club, reminding that the KC and breed clubs clearly do not even have their house in order and lack any credibility to lecture about puppy farmers when they give not just safe harbour to such people but stick them back up in the show ring. It is really beyond shocking.

    BLENHEIM PALACE SHOW

    As a result of the Cavalier Blenheim Palace Show, never again will some in the Cavalier World be able to blame the Puppy Farmers for all the that is wrong in the Cavalier Breed with their Health Problems.

    Never again will some Cavalier Breeders be able to use the Excuse ,OH, I won't be an Accredited Breeder because of the Bad Name the Puppy Farmers ,who are Accredited Breeders give to this Scheme ,when a Top Cavalier Breeder and Judge has been charged with Cruelty in a Public Court to the Animals in her Possession.

    Has it just been the case that for many years Lip Service has been paid to the Public about the SM and MVD Problems in our Cavalier Breed,but because of the Blenheim Palace Show at the Week-End ,the Cavalier buying Public and Cavalier Owners have now been made so aware of the Huge Cavalier Problems of SM and MVD affecting Cavaliers because of the Publicity that was given at Blenheim Palace to the Health Problems in Cavaliers.

    SO, let's give a Big Thank You to the Orginizers of the Blenheim Palace Show,for making it possible that all Cavalier Lovers are now so aware of the Health Problems facing our Lovely Cavalier Breed,and what is needing to be being done to give the Cavaliers the chance of a Future

    It sure was a great PR Exercise to be able to get this Information across about the Serious Health Problems in the Cavalier Breed to all who Love Cavaliers.

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    Bet, I think the show was a great pleasure for the majority of people attending, both breeders and pet owners, who got a chance to participate in some enjoyable activities in a very beautiful place. Thanks to some, there was also a nice range of information on research initiatives and health issues that all who care about cavaliers should be working together on, and a health fundrasier. All those things are positives.

    I do think however that post the event, and thanks to one person's unwitting photograph, a deep ethical chasm within the clubs and KC has again been highlighted. This woman is a moral liability to the club that far from trying to hide away, it is ready to flaunt as a prize member. The club has reinstated her as a member and she is back in a career of judging a breed she is convicted of having abused. You just could not make this stuff up!

    If anyone gets one more reply from anyone in the Cavalier Club or KC that those who campaign for health need to focus on puppy farmers, just say two words back: this judge's name. If the puppy farming issue is about dogs kept in poor health in dirt, excrement and squalor -- this is what this person was convicted of, on exactly such evidence cited in the trial, 83 times in sequence.

    Chairman Ms Greta Foules told the two women: "From the evidence seen on the video shown to the court about the condition of the house it is clear that the unnecessary suffering has occurred over a prolonged period of time."

    ...

    Mr Kevin Campbell, prosecuting for the RSPCA, told the court that conditions at the sisters' home were "atrocious".

    He said floors of the house were covered in up to six inches of "compacted dog excrement" and that many of the animals were caged in home-made kennels.

    Vet reports later revealed that many of the animals, including, Jack Russells, King Charles spaniels and long-haired daschunds, were suffering from various eye, mouth and ear problems. Many of the dogs had to have their rotten teeth removed by vets.

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    After the hearing RSPCA inspector Garry Palmer said: "These dogs were kept in sickening conditions.

    "These women were highly respected Crufts judges and the way they treated these animals left me and fellow officers disgusted and upset.

    "The sisters were meant to set an example of how to treat dogs but they did not do that and let an appalling situation escalate."
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    Loved reading that Kate!!! You made it sound so real for me all the over here! Great pictures and loved reading the highlights of your trip. The blind boy who enjoyed the silk coats.....so sweet.
    I echo Cathy T.'s thoughts. What a nice event with a mixture of show, performance and pet people and information about the breed, including health issues. It is good for people with diverse perspectives to mingle, get to know each other and celebrate what they have in common. It may go a long way to finding solutions. I would love to have been there!
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    The Kennel Club & breeders tend to blame all health & temperament problems on puppy farms & BYB, but having taken a quick glance at the latest Breed Record Supplement, I do wonder if KC breeders really do all they should.

    The commercial breeders are breeding to make money, no pretence of caring. The health of the dogs do not come into the picture, they are a commercial package that will be bred until they are no longer profitable and then disposed of?

    Breed Club committee members say they care about the breed's future, but are shown in the BRS to be using young dogs on young bitches despite the fact they know the SM & MVD health protocols both say the cavaliers should be over 2.5 years.......

    15 months is not 2.5 years

    18 months is not 2.5 years

    Even 24 months is not 2.5 years.

    In a year or so these breeders will be complaining that the guidelines do not work.

    The number of Club members breeding their bitch two seasons on the trot really surprised me. At one time decent breeders just did not use their bitches in such a way. Surely that is one of the things that we say only puppy farmers and BYB do?

    What would be the reason for mating bitches just out of puppyhood or breeding back to back?
    The only reason I can see is financial, exactly the same reason that the puppy farmers do these things.

    As for temperament..... There have always been cavaliers that were avoided in the ring because they would suddenly lunge at other dogs. Some lines have become known for having a nasty temperament. From what I am hearing this week it would seem the problem is still with us.
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    Well, I have a 7 year old ex-puppy farm bitch sleeping up behind me on the couch right now who is heart clear and has the most wonderful temperament... and another poorly bred 5 year old just came into rescue also heart clear and described by the vet as having the most wonderful temperament... Surely people have to make some pretty poor choices in their breeding stock (perhaps caring more about appearance?) to end up with cavaliers of bad temperament! The one consistent thing in the many cavaliers I have taken into rescue over the years, from every type of breeding background, even when they have been misused, abused, and neglected, is their gentleness and sweetness. I think that is the one quality that I would think most worth celebrating in the breed. They are quite extraordinary in that way; so resilient in their friendliness and cheerfulness.

    If all breeders focused on health along with the other great qualities in the breed, think what an improvement there would be. No one should ever opt for a puppy farm or backyard bred dog... because the dice are more heavily loaded toward indifferent genetics and poorer health, and more to the point, puppy farms and are horrible places of despair for the breeding animals kept there. No caring person should ever bolster those places by paying for puppies from such a background. But breeding in disregard of protocols and testing (in a haphazard way no breeder would apply to choosing the desired cosmetic elements of sire and dam!) is no better than puppy farm breeding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Margaret C View Post
    The Kennel Club & breeders tend to blame all health & temperament problems on puppy farms & BYB, but having taken a quick glance at the latest Breed Record Supplement, I do wonder if KC breeders really do all they should.

    The commercial breeders are breeding to make money, no pretence of caring. The health of the dogs do not come into the picture, they are a commercial package that will be bred until they are no longer profitable and then disposed of?

    Breed Club committee members say they care about the breed's future, but are shown in the BRS to be using young dogs on young bitches despite the fact they know the SM & MVD health protocols both say the cavaliers should be over 2.5 years.......

    15 months is not 2.5 years

    18 months is not 2.5 years

    Even 24 months is not 2.5 years.

    In a year or so these breeders will be complaining that the guidelines do not work.

    The number of Club members breeding their bitch two seasons on the trot really surprised me. At one time decent breeders just did not use their bitches in such a way. Surely that is one of the things that we say only puppy farmers and BYB do?

    What would be the reason for mating bitches just out of puppyhood or breeding back to back?
    The only reason I can see is financial, exactly the same reason that the puppy farmers do these things.

    As for temperament..... There have always been cavaliers that were avoided in the ring because they would suddenly lunge at other dogs. Some lines have become known for having a nasty temperament. From what I am hearing this week it would seem the problem is still with us.
    BLENHEIM PALACE SHOW

    I have just read Margaret's Post which included a Mention of the Temperment of some Cavaliers,surely this is against the Standard of the Cavalier Breed

    The Standard says,

    THAT Cavaliers should be Gay ,Friendly and NON- AGGRESSIVE

    This is what has made Cavaliers Perfect for the Cavalier Pet Buying Public, from the Small Children through to the Grannies in the families,that Cavaliers could always be depended upon never to have a Doubtful Temperment.

    If some Lines now have Cavaliers who are displaying Temperment Problems, is this another Nail in the Coffin for Cavaliers.

    Also could I mention ,when some Cavalier Breeders are Breeding from Under -Age Cavaliers, and their Health Status will not be known about since the CKCS CLUB's Recommended Breeding Guidelines are to wait till the Cavalier 2.5 years of and then Health Tested for SM and MVD ,also the Health Status of the Grand-Parents at 5 years of age, then are those Cavalier Breeders any different from or better than the Puppy Farmers and BYB's that are so often Condemed

    I believe that some of those Cavalier Breeders are CKCS Club Members.

    I am not saying that the Temperment Problem came to light at the Cavalier Blenheim Palace Show, but if did, what a way to have been Celebrating our Cavalier Breed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bet View Post
    BLENHEIM PALACE SHOW

    I have just read Margaret's Post which included a Mention of the Temperment of some Cavaliers,surely this is against the Standard of the Cavalier Breed

    The Standard says,

    THAT Cavaliers should be Gay ,Friendly and NON- AGGRESSIVE

    This is what has made Cavaliers Perfect for the Cavalier Pet Buying Public, from the Small Children through to the Grannies in the families,that Cavaliers could always be depended upon never to have a Doubtful Temperment.

    If some Lines now have Cavaliers who are displaying Temperment Problems, is this another Nail in the Coffin for Cavaliers.

    Also could I mention ,when some Cavalier Breeders are Breeding from Under -Age Cavaliers, and their Health Status will not be known about since the CKCS CLUB's Recommended Breeding Guidelines are to wait till the Cavalier 2.5 years of and then Health Tested for SM and MVD ,also the Health Status of the Grand-Parents at 5 years of age, then are those Cavalier Breeders any different from or better than the Puppy Farmers and BYB's that are so often Condemed

    I believe that some of those Cavalier Breeders are CKCS Club Members.

    I am not saying that the Temperment Problem came to light at the Cavalier Blenheim Palace Show, but if did, what a way to have been Celebrating our Cavalier Breed.

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    Since I was sent a Private E-Mail yesterday from an Orginiser of the Blenheim Palace Show ,I think I can mention it on this Thread.

    I was Accused of mentioning about the Cavalier Heads being Smaller than they were years ago and how Wrong I am in saying this.I wonder why I am wrong in saying this, is this Type of Cavalier Head now where the Money is to be being made for a number of Cavalier Breeders.!!!

    Hopefully some Folk who saw the Photos of the Cavaliers of Days Gone By will have seen the Difference in the Cavaliers' Heads, but I do hope this subject will be Discussed at the Two Forth-Coming Cavalier Seminers.

    What the problem about SM in our Cavalier Breed is, which Cavaliers have the SM Gene/Genes , I will link this also to the Cavaliers' MVD Problem

    At the moment ,all that can done to help those Two Health Problems in Cavaliers ,is for Cavalier Breeders ,not just the few who are caring enough about those Problems in our Cavalier Breed,to take notice of the Recommendations of the CKCS CLUB'S Breeding Guidelines to try and stop the early Onset of both those Two Diseases.

    The Finding of the SM and MVD Genes is the only way the Cavalier Breed can be Given a Future,the Cavalier Breeders can play their part by Heeding the Recommended Breed Guidelines, the Cavalier Buying Public by asking the necessary Questions from Cavalier Breeders, are they Health Testing their Cavalier Breeding Stock and giving the Prospective Cavalier Buyer a Certificate to Prove that this is being done, and finding out from the Cavalier Breeder if the Recommended Breeding Guidelines are being followed.

    The Bottom Line is though for the Cavaliers to Survive will come from the Researchers, it is the Researchers who will get the Answers ,and tell the Cavalier Breeders the Cavaliers who have those Genes for SM and MVD and the Cavaliers who are the Carriers.

    The Breeding of Cavaliers is no Longer a Cottage Industry. I maybe wrong with this Figure, but I believe a Cavalier can fetch upto 2,000,and Stud Fees at least 6,00

    I would think that this could be called a Commercial Business .

    Is this the Attraction of the Show Scene now-a-days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bet View Post
    BLENHEIM PALACE SHOW

    Since I was sent a Private E-Mail yesterday from an Orginiser of the Blenheim Palace Show ,I think I can mention it on this Thread.

    I was Accused of mentioning about the Cavalier Heads being Smaller than they were years ago and how Wrong I am in saying this.I wonder why I am wrong in saying this, is this Type of Cavalier Head now where the Money is to be being made for a number of Cavalier Breeders.!!!

    Hopefully some Folk who saw the Photos of the Cavaliers of Days Gone By will have seen the Difference in the Cavaliers' Heads, but I do hope this subject will be Discussed at the Two Forth-Coming Cavalier Seminers.

    What the problem about SM in our Cavalier Breed is, which Cavaliers have the SM Gene/Genes , I will link this also to the Cavaliers' MVD Problem

    At the moment ,all that can done to help those Two Health Problems in Cavaliers ,is for Cavalier Breeders ,not just the few who are caring enough about those Problems in our Cavalier Breed,to take notice of the Recommendations of the CKCS CLUB'S Breeding Guidelines to try and stop the early Onset of both those Two Diseases.

    The Finding of the SM and MVD Genes is the only way the Cavalier Breed can be Given a Future,the Cavalier Breeders can play their part by Heeding the Recommended Breed Guidelines, the Cavalier Buying Public by asking the necessary Questions from Cavalier Breeders, are they Health Testing their Cavalier Breeding Stock and giving the Prospective Cavalier Buyer a Certificate to Prove that this is being done, and finding out from the Cavalier Breeder if the Recommended Breeding Guidelines are being followed.

    The Bottom Line is though for the Cavaliers to Survive will come from the Researchers, it is the Researchers who will get the Answers ,and tell the Cavalier Breeders the Cavaliers who have those Genes for SM and MVD and the Cavaliers who are the Carriers.

    The Breeding of Cavaliers is no Longer a Cottage Industry. I maybe wrong with this Figure, but I believe a Cavalier can fetch upto 2,000,and Stud Fees at least 6,00

    I would think that this could be called a Commercial Business .

    Is this the Attraction of the Show Scene now-a-days.

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    BLENHEIM PALACE SHOW

    I have just read the OUR DOGS BLENHEIM PALACE Cavalier Special Supplement

    What I noticed first of all was the mention of CM/SM in Cavaliers ,this is Charactized by a Mismatch in Size between the Brain too Big and the Skull too Small.

    At this moment the Gene/Genes for this Condition in Cavaliers has yet to be found,this is where the Money from RUPERT's FUND is of such a Benefit to the SM Researchers.

    Hopefully at the Two Forth -Coming Cavalier Seminars ,more Information will be available about this Research.

    I know that some Cavalier Breeders who are still in Denial about the SM and MVD Problems Afflicting our Cavaliers being Big Health Problems for Cavaliers,still are Insisting that, OK ,Health Tests can be being done on Cavaliers To-Day and the Cavalier has no Sign of those Diseases, but to- morrow the Problem can be there ,so can Cancer in
    Humans, so their Excuse is why bother Health Tests.

    Until many Cavalier Breeders understand , not all Cavalier Breeders , that the hope at the Moment for the Breed ,is to to delay the Early On-Set of both SM and MVD ,then the Cavaliers just do not have a Future.

    I do hope that many of the Cavalier Breeders who made an Appearance at the Blenheim Palace Show, will also be supporting the Two Seminars, if Not I am sure the Question will be being asked ,Why Not.

    Also once the Formal BVA/KC Schemes for MVD and CM/SM are introduced shortly ,which will Formalize the Current CKCS CLUB'S Administered Heart Scheme and Standarize the Diverse MRI Scanning Procedures which have been in use

    Formal Testing Procedures could then be Applied to the Kennel Club's Accredited Breeders Scheme.

    It is to be hoped that some Cavalier Breeders won't use the Excuse that they have used so often in the Past , that they won't be supporting the ABS when Cavalier Puppy Farmers are Members of the Scheme.

    That Excuse Won't Wash Any-more after what has just Happened at the Blenheim Palace Show last Week-End with the presence of a Cavalier Breeder and Judge who was Convicted of 83 cases of Dogs in her care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bet View Post
    BLENHEIM PALACE SHOW

    I have just read the OUR DOGS BLENHEIM PALACE Cavalier Special Supplement

    What I noticed first of all was the mention of CM/SM in Cavaliers ,this is Charactized by a Mismatch in Size between the Brain too Big and the Skull too Small.

    At this moment the Gene/Genes for this Condition in Cavaliers has yet to be found,this is where the Money from RUPERT's FUND is of such a Benefit to the SM Researchers.

    Hopefully at the Two Forth -Coming Cavalier Seminars ,more Information will be available about this Research.

    I know that some Cavalier Breeders who are still in Denial about the SM and MVD Problems Afflicting our Cavaliers being Big Health Problems for Cavaliers,still are Insisting that, OK ,Health Tests can be being done on Cavaliers To-Day and the Cavalier has no Sign of those Diseases, but to- morrow the Problem can be there ,so can Cancer in
    Humans, so their Excuse is why bother Health Tests.

    Until many Cavalier Breeders understand , not all Cavalier Breeders , that the hope at the Moment for the Breed ,is to to delay the Early On-Set of both SM and MVD ,then the Cavaliers just do not have a Future.

    I do hope that many of the Cavalier Breeders who made an Appearance at the Blenheim Palace Show, will also be supporting the Two Seminars, if Not I am sure the Question will be being asked ,Why Not.

    Also once the Formal BVA/KC Schemes for MVD and CM/SM are introduced shortly ,which will Formalize the Current CKCS CLUB'S Administered Heart Scheme and Standarize the Diverse MRI Scanning Procedures which have been in use

    Formal Testing Procedures could then be Applied to the Kennel Club's Accredited Breeders Scheme.

    It is to be hoped that some Cavalier Breeders won't use the Excuse that they have used so often in the Past , that they won't be supporting the ABS when Cavalier Puppy Farmers are Members of the Scheme.

    That Excuse Won't Wash Any-more after what has just Happened at the Blenheim Palace Show last Week-End with the presence of a Cavalier Breeder and Judge who was Convicted of 83 cases of Dogs in her care.

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    BLENHEIM PALACE SHOW

    Could I could I go back to the OUR DOGS Cavalier Supplement.

    OH DEARIE ME,

    I for sure have Ruffled a Few Cavalier Breeders' Feathers for Daring to say that so many of the Cavaliers' Heads of to-day are Smaller than they in the 50's -60's -and even the 70's ,if any-body has the Cavalier Supplement, just look at the Cavaliers' on the back of it, there are Photos of the VAIRIRE and Pargeter Cavaliers ,they have a Larger type of Head than what is seen to -day

    Now I don't know and NO Cavalier Breeder will know as to whether the Cavalier Heads being Smaller now can be involved with the Cavaliers' SM Problem, all that is known ,is that there is a Mix Match between the Cavalier Brains being Larger and their Skulls being Smaller.

    Hope-fully all this will be being discussed at the 2 Forth-Coming Seminars.

    Could I include this Comment with this Post,on another Cavalier Forum there is mention about

    Blenheim Palace Poppet , ,she was born I think in 1926 and all her Ancestors were either King Charles Spaniels or Toy Spaniels

    Kobba Of Korunda was also mentioned he was born in 1928 and has the same type of Ancestors in his Background.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bet View Post
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    Could I could I go back to the OUR DOGS Cavalier Supplement.

    OH DEARIE ME,

    I for sure have Ruffled a Few Cavalier Breeders' Feathers for Daring to say that so many of the Cavaliers' Heads of to-day are Smaller than they in the 50's -60's -and even the 70's ,if any-body has the Cavalier Supplement, just look at the Cavaliers' on the back of it, there are Photos of the VAIRIRE and Pargeter Cavaliers ,they have a Larger type of Head than what is seen to -day

    Now I don't know and NO Cavalier Breeder will know as to whether the Cavalier Heads being Smaller now can be involved with the Cavaliers' SM Problem, all that is known ,is that there is a Mix Match between the Cavalier Brains being Larger and their Skulls being Smaller.

    Hope-fully all this will be being discussed at the 2 Forth-Coming Seminars.

    Could I include this Comment with this Post,on another Cavalier Forum there is mention about

    Blenheim Palace Poppet , ,she was born I think in 1926 and all her Ancestors were either King Charles Spaniels or Toy Spaniels

    Kobba Of Korunda was also mentioned he was born in 1928 and has the same type of Ancestors in his Background.

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    SILLY ,SILLY ME!!!

    What I was trying to explain by Cavaliers' Heads being Smaller,was that those 2 Dogs Mentioned on the Other Cavalier Forum saying that Heads were no different
    than Cavaliers' Heads to-day , this is what I am mentioning , that many of to-days' Cavaliers' Heads are like the Head of Kobba Of Korunda ,but it's what happened in the Intervening Years between the 1930's and To-days' Heads , how
    they were altered

    If I could also be allowed to mention ,I was accused on the other Forum of not being at the Blenheim Palace Show and making comments about the Cavalier Gallery.

    All I can say about this, a Number of Years ago Mr G JUPP, the Husband of the Previous CKCS Chairman and my -self
    were involved in exactly the same thing as was seen at Blenheim Palace, there were Photos ,and the 5 Generation Pedigrees that I had worked out , even to the Long Lived Ages that I had found out about those Cavaliers.

    This was for a Cavalier Championship Show , maybe some on this List will remember it.

    In fact I am looking at a Photo of it which was Displayed Round the Hall at the Show.

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