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    Exclamation Irish folks: interested in getting a cardiologist day for murmur testing?

    I am looking into the possibility of hosting a group day for getting cavaliers auscultated (listened to by a cardiologist for heart murmurs).

    This would be held in Dublin -- maybe at the cardiologist's clinic or maybe on a weekend day at Dog Training Ireland, if they are willing (we could also do a cavalier fun day as part of the event perhaps!).

    I am not sure what kind of cost would be there -- I don't think nearly as low as the subsidised days clubs can negotiate in North America or the UK for example, but it would likely be lower than this would otherwise cost.

    As many know, heart disease is endemic in the breed and vets miss over half of early-grade murmurs so often murmurs are only diagnosed when they are quite high. Seeing a cardiologist is best practice for our cavalier's health and I would think the cardiologist might be willing to give us a talk about good heart care.

    If people are interested could they reply here with the number of dogs they might bring? I will be taking Leo and Lucy in myself to Ireland's sole cardiologist Monday as they both now have high grade murmurs and will talk to him then about this possibility.

    I would think we'd need at least 20 dogs or so to make this work. Of those, I'd already have three I'd have done (as two will have been done on Monday). So I can start the count with three!
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    Brilliant idea Karlin, it would be great to have a cavalier fun day too...I would probably have my 2 listened to
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    I would definitely be interested in bringing Chloe and Millie to this if it goes ahead. Rex has already been seen by the cardiologist in Rathfarnham so Im not sure if he would benefit in being screened again - but maybe it would be no harm. Count us in!
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    I would definitely be interested in this Karlin, it's such a brillant idea. The vet already diagnosed Darcy with a heart murmur but I have asked 4 seperate vets to refer me to a cardiologist and each one refused telling me it was not necessary as her murmur is quite low (grade 1 to 2 at most). I also contacted UCD but they would only see me with a referral. Please count us in, it would really be a huge weight off my shoulders to know she was getting sound professional advice.
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    Great -- I spoke briefly to him and we are going to discuss more on Monday. It is frustrating that vets view a specialist as a last-ditch support so often -- really, getting an xray at the start for example, so you have a baseline to measure progression and shape treatment, is the norm in so many countries. Also I think it is really helpful to get an accurate auscultation for the grade. What seems a fast onset murmur might actually have been a slow onset murmur that was missed in early stages.
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    It might be interesting to take Daisy up.She'll be four in January.
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    You can count ny two in as well Karlin. Trapper has a grade 2 murmur diagnosed in UCD when both were being checked out for SM but he has never seen a cardiologist.
    Have you a date in mind?
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    YES... I would be very interested!

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    This is a great response and I am definitely going to set up an auscultation day. This would likely work out at about €30 per dog plus VAT -- maybe a little less -- I am sure many would find that price attractive! Mr Mullany said he would be happy to do a little talk on heart health issues in cavaliers and what to watch for and when to treat.

    Interestingly he does not feel dogs should be on medication simply for a murmur, even a higher grade murmur. He prefers to see certain clinical shifts towards congestive heart failure before medicating.

    Maybe we will do this for early September? I am conscious of trying to find a time when people are not on holidays and so forth.

    As long as we have at least 10 we will go ahead and I'd love to see more.

    Do people feel OK with the first half of September? If so I will approach him about whether there's a good weekend date for him. Or we could do an evening I'd suspect. He is in Rathfarnham and we might go there or we could go to DTI if that was OK with them.

    On the good news side -- though Lucy and Leo both now have murmurs -- he heard a murmur in two chambers on each, a 3 and a 4 on Lucy, and a 2 and a 3 on Leo -- they were otherwise in very good form. To give some context of why it is so helpful to go to a specialist -- his grade was a gull grade lower than what vets in Ireland and the Uk had said for each. Leo's murmur is quite local which was good. Both had a strong pulse, good circulation, good liver, and were in no need of meds at this stage. It was very interesting to get the detail he was able to supply on each separate murmur and I feel much more informed and confident about what I am dealing with at this point.

    I'd like to set this up as an annual event or if there's demand we could do it twice yearly.
    Karlin
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    If you can get a weekend date, count me in - a week night would be tricky for me unless it starts a bit later.
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