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    The abstracts (summaries) of all the talks are now available on the Cavalier Club site (www.thecavalierclub.co.uk).

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    Thanks, Kate!

    Margaret has also blogged the full talks in more detail (in several parts) -- as opposed to just abstracts -- at her CavalierTalk blog:

    http://www.cavaliertalk.com/forums/b...700-Margaret-C

    If others who attended want to add their notes -- Tania? -- feel free to create a thread! And then add links to this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kate H View Post
    The abstracts (summaries) of all the talks are now available on the Cavalier Club site (www.thecavalierclub.co.uk).
    I noticed that Simon Swift once again reiterated the necessity of all cavalier breeders following the MVD breeding protocol. It would be nice if more breeders would pay attention to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RodRussell View Post
    I noticed that Simon Swift once again reiterated the necessity of all cavalier breeders following the MVD breeding protocol. It would be nice if more breeders would pay attention to him.

    There are now breeders that are health testing eyes, hearts, and for SM, and using the breeding guidelines.

    There are however a core of breeders, often very successful in the show ring, that just continue to breed as they have always done, with very young cavaliers, with back to back matings, in a way that would bring accusations of puppy farming if they were not at the top of the show world.

    Some of them were sitting in the lecture room at the Cavalier Club Health Day. Some of them are regional club health representatives and others are committee members.

    These are the breeders that did everything to deny the problem and sabotage the attempts to investigate the extent and cause of the health issues in the breed.
    They still attempt to rubbish and deny the research and researchers.

    Cavaliers are a very sick breed, the Foetal Tissue Research has shown that they are born already health compromised, and breeders have to take responsibility and start breeding away from the problems.

    I will be quite honest, I can accept that some people are just too mercenary to care about the dogs they breed and the people they sell their puppies to................but what I find it hard to get my head around is the nice caring breeders that allow such tawdry people to dominate the breed.

    The ordinary decent club members know that these people say one thing and do something else, they know they are hypocrites, and yet they hand them this power and play along with the charade.

    It would be good if a few more club members found the guts to speak openly what they only dare say in private.

    There is a publication called the Kennel Club Breed Record Supplement. It is a quarterly publication that record the litters registered in that four month period.
    I have just started writing to complain to the cavalier clubs when I see that club members, and more particularly, committee members have broken the guidelines.

    It really is time to change the climate of opinion that allows these arrogant people to openly continue using unscanned top sires, underage champions and fourteen month old bitches and still remain on club committees unchallenged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Margaret C View Post
    There are now breeders that are health testing eyes, hearts, and for SM, and using the breeding guidelines.

    There are however a core of breeders, often very successful in the show ring, that just continue to breed as they have always done, with very young cavaliers, with back to back matings, in a way that would bring accusations of puppy farming if they were not at the top of the show world.

    Some of them were sitting in the lecture room at the Cavalier Club Health Day. Some of them are regional club health representatives and others are committee members.

    These are the breeders that did everything to deny the problem and sabotage the attempts to investigate the extent and cause of the health issues in the breed.
    They still attempt to rubbish and deny the research and researchers.

    Cavaliers are a very sick breed, the Foetal Tissue Research has shown that they are born already health compromised, and breeders have to take responsibility and start breeding away from the problems.

    I will be quite honest, I can accept that some people are just too mercenary to care about the dogs they breed and the people they sell their puppies to................but what I find it hard to get my head around is the nice caring breeders that allow such tawdry people to dominate the breed.

    The ordinary decent club members know that these people say one thing and do something else, they know they are hypocrites, and yet they hand them this power and play along with the charade.

    It would be good if a few more club members found the guts to speak openly what they only dare say in private.

    There is a publication called the Kennel Club Breed Record Supplement. It is a quarterly publication that record the litters registered in that four month period.
    I have just started writing to complain to the cavalier clubs when I see that club members, and more particularly, committee members have broken the guidelines.

    It really is time to change the climate of opinion that allows these arrogant people to openly continue using unscanned top sires, underage champions and fourteen month old bitches and still remain on club committees unchallenged.
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    Margaret , thanks for this Post, I think it is Called the Breeder Mafia ,run by a Few Elderly Cavalier Breeders who seem to Think that they are most Important to our Cavaliers.

    They live in an Ivory Tower, and what they have said about the Health in the Cavalier Breed for years should never be being Questioned.

    HEALTH PROBLEMS....WHAT HEALTH PROBLEMS.!!!!

    They only have to look at the Cavaliers, even the Researchers are Shocked at the Mess the Health Problems are causing the Breed.

    Yes they do Malign the Researchers, I had to Resign from a Cavalier Club about what had been said by a Club's Health Representative making Derogatory Remarks concerning Simon Swift the Cardiologist ,who has tried for years to help with the MVD Problem Afflicting our Breed.

    I just could not remain a Member of that Club, when the Health Representative had such an Attitude towards some-one Dedicated to helping Cavaliers.

    No ,it was'nt the CKCS Parent Club.

    I for sure agree with Margaret about Cavalier Breeders following the Breeding Guideline Recomendations.

    If some CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBERS who are Cavalier Breeders are behaving so Irresponsibly not to be giving other Cavalier Breeders who are Members of the CKCS CLUB the Lead by not following the Breeding Guideline Recomendations, then what chance have Cavaliers got of Healthier , Longer Lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Margaret C View Post
    ... There are however a core of breeders, often very successful in the show ring, that just continue to breed as they have always done, with very young cavaliers, with back to back matings, in a way that would bring accusations of puppy farming if they were not at the top of the show world. ...
    It is a lot easier to when champion points when you don't follow breeding protocols.

    To those breeders who are very successful in the show ring, but do not follow the protocols:

    Your champions are a sad joke, and you are doing more to destroy the future generations of this breed than all of the puppy farmers, because it is your dogs that become breeding stock, generation after generation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RodRussell View Post
    It is a lot easier to when champion points when you don't follow breeding protocols.

    To those breeders who are very successful in the show ring, but do not follow the protocols:

    Your champions are a sad joke, and you are doing more to destroy the future generations of this breed than all of the puppy farmers, because it is your dogs that become breeding stock, generation after generation.
    And ain't that the truth.

    I've blogged about the last talk. It was fascinating, but to me really worrying.

    It appears that some breeders are hailing Dr McGonnell's findings as the " light at the end of the tunnel" but I cannot understand why.

    If all cavaliers, as appears from this study, are born with CM and weakened bone in their hind skull, then how is it ever going to be bred out.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Margaret C View Post
    And ain't that the truth.

    I've blogged about the last talk. It was fascinating, but to me really worrying.

    It appears that some breeders are hailing Dr McGonnell's findings as the " light at the end of the tunnel" but I cannot understand why.

    If all cavaliers, as appears from this study, are born with CM and weakened bone in their hind skull, then how is it ever going to be bred out.?
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    Margaret , these are Exactly my Thoughts as well.

    Are some Cavalier Breeders Living in LA LA Land!!!!!

    Also could I mention that I now Realize how Jealous and Childish some Cavalier Breeders are.

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    I think the impact of Dr McGonnell's talk was not that the problem of finding the gene which causes this fundamental lack of communication is going to be any easier, but that at least we MIGHT (big might!) be looking for one gene (or group of genes) rather than two completely different ones. And she was very cautious about it - obviously a lot of work needed and it may not lead anywhere. If anyone jumped to over-optimistic conclusions, they obviously weren't listening very carefully. But it is a fascinating possibility...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kate H View Post
    I think the impact of Dr McGonnell's talk was not that the problem of finding the gene which causes this fundamental lack of communication is going to be any easier, but that at least we MIGHT (big might!) be looking for one gene (or group of genes) rather than two completely different ones. And she was very cautious about it - obviously a lot of work needed and it may not lead anywhere. If anyone jumped to over-optimistic conclusions, they obviously weren't listening very carefully. But it is a fascinating possibility...

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