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    Does anybody know how many pups are bred by the "show" breeders and how many they keep and therefore how many are sold on as pets .

    And secondly what would they do if they had no pet owners to buy the unwanted .
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    That is an interesting question! I don't have the answer to it though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tania View Post
    That is an interesting question! I don't have the answer to it though

    I would think any-one who gets the Kennel Club's Breed Supplement for Our Cavalier Breed would be able to get an Answer to Brian's Question.

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    Some indication, but nobody could know for sure:

    Over 2010 it is estimated that 23% of KC Registered CKCS puppies were bred by CKCS Club members - NOT ALL WHO EXHIBIT
    That equals about 1900 puppies of the total of 8095 Registered with the UK KC

    According to Grahames Results Book there were 636 DIFFERENT dogs placed at Championship shows in the year 2010.

    So at a very rough guess (?) 200-300 registered puppies per year are shown with some success - an unknown number will be kept for breeding and as pets themselves, the rest presumably get sold at some point in time.

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    First it depends on what are "show breeders" but I can speak about the little I know (whether I find out differently) but now. I think it would be impossible to see what the number is. I do know that breeders in the breed clubs (not AKC) usually have a registration that specifies to not breed. Rod may know more about this but from his website for suggestions to find breeders he said to check out http://cavalierhealth.org/breeders.htm whether those show or not I have no idea and would never try to figure that out. If you are asking in regards to health, in my opinion it would be the breed clubs to go to if I was looking for a puppy. He also mentions to check out the clubs for health volunteers, breed health chairman, and also the Health & Confirmation class so without these shows, I don't know where people would go. I don't know those that are in clubs that do not show.

    I think pet buyers will see Champions lineage on websites that are misleading because they may have pictures of other cavaliers etc. and will not look if they are members of breed clubs so how that would change with demand if there were no show cavaliers? I don't know but in the USA without breed clubs, I don't know how breeders would find out about information in regards to health.

    I know we have AKC registration which acts as a registration body, but says to go to the parent club for more information and does not guarantee health. So I think the actual breed clubs are what to look for. and if they did not have Champions would it change if people did not ask certain quetstions suggested. How they would make money without shows or would they exist, I don't know how? Since I have no idea on how many in the clubs show, I can not answer that question but it would be where I would start with if I wanted information on where to find a good breeder, etc.
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    As Maggie writes it is impossible to put a definite figure on the number of pet cavaliers bred by breeders that show, but even within the show fraternity it is conceded that most puppies will be sold as companion dogs.
    Many of the cavaliers that are kept for showing and breeding will eventually be rehomed to pet homes.

    An article in this week's Dog World, on the Advisory Council on Dog Breeding reports:-

    "The need to address welfare problems should be paramount, council members agreed, saying it was not acceptable to breed dogs who will then suffer. It was clear, members said, that breed clubs, breeders and society must become ‘more engaged’ in relation to these issues.

    Part of the council’s role should be to encourage recognition among breeders that they are breeding pets, not breeding for showing, members said.

    A minority of dogs, even from the breeders who are most successful in the showing world, end up in the show ring, and therefore the key objective should be the breeding of fit, healthy and well-socialised pets, it was agreed."

    There is a growing feeling that there may be a need for a Companion Cavalier Club, embracing both pet owners and breeders that are trying to produce healthy pets.

    If it was possible to register such a club with the Kennel Club, it could be a powerful voice for change.

    I would be interested to know what forum members think about the idea?
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    Hi Margaret

    Marvelous .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian M View Post
    Does anybody know how many pups are bred by the "show" breeders and how many they keep and therefore how many are sold on as pets . ...
    From my experience in the AKC, I've learned that it estimates that about 20% of its registrations come from "the fancy", meaning breeders who attempt to meet the breed standard. I would call them largely show breeders.

    Also, it estimates that about 20% of litters produced by the fancy are kept to run on, and the rest are offered to pet buyers.
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    There is a growing feeling that there may be a need for a Companion Cavalier Club, embracing both pet owners and breeders that are trying to produce healthy pets.
    My feelings precisely !
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