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    Hi all,
    So, I already have the vet on top of this little mystery I am going to explain, but I am hoping maybe you guys have some thoughts too (or maybe even a suggestion if it sounds familiar).

    So...after Brooklyn was spayed, and we took the cone off, she began to (way more than normal) rub her head/ears on the floor, scratch at them and generally enjoyed us rubbing them way more than normal. I thought "ear infection", so off to the vet. But, she couldn't find any sort of infection. She said her ears were "sort of pink", but not anything to signify an infection. Seeing as Brooklyn has already been on a round of antibiotics about 2 months ago for her itchy skin (if you guys remember, she was going at her right leg and back leg like crazy), so they didn't want to dose her with antibiotics again. But the vet though, this might be an allergy since there are no signs of infection...so she gave her a round of low dose steroids to see if that would help. But it didn't. She is still ear rubbing and head rubbing on the floor a lot...way more than normal.

    I am clueless. The vet is calling me back about what we should think to do next, so in the mean time, I was wondering if you all had any thoughts. I think the leg/foot biting and itching might be related the head dragging/itching on the floor, but who knows. She has laid off her leg a lot (that is great) still at the paws sometimes, but I can just tell she is uncomfortable in her ear/head area and just always pushing it into the floor or using her paws.

    Anyway, if anyone thinks of something we might have missed, just let me know! I wonder if it still might be an allergy...hummm.
    P.S. Brooky is now 7 months.

    Thanks!!

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    Mmm.. No idea. Probably allergies I would think.. Hopefully it will go away..
    Head rubbing and itching and footbiting are also symptoms of SM but Brooky is too young and it came on pretty sudden, but I still thought I'd mention it.
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    Have you changed her shampoo? Maybe the the cone had something to do with it? I know Holly couldn't stand to have it on.
    Has she been sitting in the sun? One of my cats loves to sit in the sun and her ears go all pink and sensitive, but that's the cat.
    I have always used a natural shampoo by dermcare even with my last Cav he always used to get itchy especially in Summer and I had to used the one by dermcare that you had to leave on for 10 mins then wash off.
    That's all I can think of. Sorry I can't help. Hopefully your vet will find out what's causing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondiemonster View Post
    Mmm.. No idea. Probably allergies I would think.. Hopefully it will go away..
    Head rubbing and itching and footbiting are also symptoms of SM but Brooky is too young and it came on pretty sudden, but I still thought I'd mention it.

    Sorry, but SM can show up in puppies younger than Brooklyn, and with the symptoms that have been described I would be asking to be referred to a Neurologist that knows about SM and PSOM.
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    I would agree with Margaret.

    If your vet has been unable to find any other source for this, then as Margaret says, I would see a vet neurologist, ideally one familiar with SM. There is one woman in Sydney as I recall. I can check to find out who it is. If steroids didn't help then I would think it almost certainly cannot be allergies. The single most common misdiagnosis -- often for years -- for SM in cavaliers is allergies, meaning many do not get the treatment they need.

    Clare Rusbridge has seen puppies as young as 12 weeks with SM, but anecdotally, I know people (including members of this forum) who have said their puppies had symptoms at younger than that, as early as 7-8 weeks. Many dogs would be diagnosed at younger than a year.

    If this is SM, you would definitely want to have it diagnosed now, as this gives you the greatest number of options to consider. It is not a diagnosis any of us wishes to receive, but the earlier you know, the better for making decisions. There are many of us here who have gone through this process and have cavaliers with SM (I have three of my five ). It is a problem now endemic in the breed. People here can offer lots of support and advice if you find you are in the situation so many of us find ourselves in, managing dogs with this condition.

    There is a lot of info in the Health Library section and pinned to the top of the SM/MVD forum. Also see www.smcavalier.com, www.cavalierhealth.org for some basics. You might find it especially helpful to view the videos on my site, www.smcavalier.com, as you can see cavaliers with a wide range of symptoms and can compare those with what you are seeing with Brooklyn.

    The most detailed information is on Dr Clare Rusbridge's website. She is the leading researcher into this condition: http://www.veterinary-neurologist.co.uk/faq.htm
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    U know what dawned on me that having the collar around her neck couldve set sm symptoms of... Having anything around the neck area thats tight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Margaret C View Post
    Sorry, but SM can show up in puppies younger than Brooklyn, and with the symptoms that have been described I would be asking to be referred to a Neurologist that knows about SM and PSOM.
    Margaret, yes:
    I guess i knew that since reptigirls flash is younger than a year and i remember a discussion on this fron a long time ago, but i just didnt really wanna say it i guess since i dont know enough or feel qualified to alarm brooklyns mom. I also just dont wanna accept it unconciously . Brooklyn is so innocent and young!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondiemonster View Post
    Mmm.. No idea. Probably allergies I would think.. Hopefully it will go away..
    Head rubbing and itching and footbiting are also symptoms of SM but Brooky is too young and it came on pretty sudden, but I still thought I'd mention it.
    Remember Flash came to me at 12 weeks showing almost those exact symptoms... They also progressed very rapidly....some days he would just wake up with new and stronger symptoms... It was not SM yet but very sever CM... I would recommend a neurologist visit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reptigirl View Post
    Remember Flash came to me at 12 weeks showing almost those exact symptoms... They also progressed very rapidly....some days he would just wake up with new and stronger symptoms... It was not SM yet but very sever CM... I would recommend a neurologist visit...
    Yes i remembered read the post above yours
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondiemonster View Post
    Margaret, yes:
    I guess i knew that since reptigirls flash is younger than a year and i remember a discussion on this fron a long time ago, but i just didnt really wanna say it i guess since i dont know enough or feel qualified to alarm brooklyns mom. I also just dont wanna accept it unconciously . Brooklyn is so innocent and young!!!!
    I know what you mean. It is horrible to think this can happen to such young puppies.

    I hesitated when I first read BrooklynMom's post and rather hoped that someone else would suggest her little girl should be checked for SM.

    I really do not like being the bearer of bad news and it does feel so unkind to put such a worrying idea in someone's head.
    I very much hope that Brooklyn's symptoms are due to something else.

    The truth is though, if a cavalier has SM it will not go away. The owner will have to face the diagnosis at some time and it is better that it is done before the little dog has suffered long periods of discomfort without any pain relief being prescribed.

    I have had so many phone calls from owners who spent two years or more watching their cavalier suffer while their vet checked for allergies and orthopaedic problems.

    Contrary to what many cavalier owners think, SM is not a rare condition. In the last few years it has become apparent that it is widespread through the breed.

    Over half the young cavaliers that are scanned through the low cost centres in the UK have SM. They may not have symptoms ( or at least no symptoms that their sometimes un-informed owners would recognise ) but most of them will do as they get older. It is a deteriorating condition.

    It is not only widespread through the breed, it is widespread throughout the world. All cavaliers originated in England; some countries imported SM genes along with their earliest cavaliers, many others are still importing it in unscanned stud dogs from UK kennels that have produced SM.
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