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    Quote Originally Posted by sins View Post
    Hi Bet,
    I don't wish to go over old ground again,but this idea that puppy farmed or dogs who are not bred from show stock are somehow healthier than show lines really needs to be addressed.
    I have looked hard and honestly found no evidence to support that idea.Commercial breeders are producing D and Es...as well as As and any A that I'm aware of is still accompanied by malformation and herniation.
    Now,back to Brian's initial post about a link he saw on the PDE Blogspot.
    It's about an update to the mateselect program where it's possible to use the healthfinder section to check what tests have been carried out on a dog.You can now query the tests done on a dog's parents,siblings and offspring if a test has been done under the BVA/KC scheme.As you can see it can give you the info on Eye testing regarding affected status for juvenile cataract as I understand it.It will also tell you how many litters and how many puppies a dog has sired or a bitch produced.
    You can imagine the potential this database has when the SM and Heart schemes come online for breeders to factor in health considerations into their breeding programme...or to allow a breeder to see how many times a stud dog has been used and decide if they want to follow the popular mainstream choices.
    Because this is the way forward...NOT trawling through puppy farms for needles in haystacks,but equipping progressive breeders who want a strong future for the cavalier breed to tackle a very difficult job.
    In order to do the job properly I think what's needed is to allow the foundations to be put down to allow sensible breeding decisions to be made,without pressure or censure.
    The breeders who own the dogs should be given access to all the data freely,but the decisions regarding matings have to be left to the breeders themselves.
    There are no quick and easy fixes and we all need patience to see improvements.
    Let's just see what the future holds,hopefully a more bright and healthier one.
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    Please tell me how can the Foundations be put down to allow Sensible Cavalier Breeding Decisions to be made.

    It has been mentioned that around 90% of Cavaliers have CM ,therefor there can be very few Cavaliers who are not Carriers of the CM Gene/Genes.

    So if so many Cavaliers are either Afflicted or Carriers of the CM Gene/Genes, then by using those Cavaliers the CM problem won't improve in anyway ,

    How can it?

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    Please tell me how can the Foundations be put down to allow Sensible Cavalier Breeding Decisions to be made.
    It's already happening Bet and has been for some time.
    It's a multi pronged approach...Education,Research and testing.All three are vital legs of the stool.
    Now the Kennel Club seem to be putting in place the framework for better data management with the healthfinder on Mateselect.
    Education and information is very widely distributed in many formats,via clubs,messageboards,websites etc..
    Some breeders are championing research, especially the Foetal tissue research project and we all await an update from that with much anticipation.
    Then there's the genome project,aided by scans paid for via Rupertsfund.
    Some breeders are scanning and being guided by the results obtained.There are new low cost venues and all days are well attended and all of this provides data for the EBV scheme.I've seen some recent scan certs(before you ask,it's because they're relevant to my own dogs) from Clare Rusbridge and the amount of information they give is extremely good.Some of those dogs have malformation only and are completely asymptomatic and can be expected to live a very normal life.
    The Goal is improvement Bet,no eradication of a condition at this stage.
    But without firm foundations,any attempts to improve matters will be like building castles in the air.
    Roaring and bawling at the small few who are genuinely trying,won't help matters...Keep flogging the best horses and they'll eventually break down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sins View Post
    It's already happening Bet and has been for some time.
    It's a multi pronged approach...Education,Research and testing.All three are vital legs of the stool.
    Now the Kennel Club seem to be putting in place the framework for better data management with the healthfinder on Mateselect.
    Education and information is very widely distributed in many formats,via clubs,messageboards,websites etc..
    Some breeders are championing research, especially the Foetal tissue research project and we all await an update from that with much anticipation.
    Then there's the genome project,aided by scans paid for via Rupertsfund.
    Some breeders are scanning and being guided by the results obtained.There are new low cost venues and all days are well attended and all of this provides data for the EBV scheme.I've seen some recent scan certs(before you ask,it's because they're relevant to my own dogs) from Clare Rusbridge and the amount of information they give is extremely good.Some of those dogs have malformation only and are completely asymptomatic and can be expected to live a very normal life.
    The Goal is improvement Bet,no eradication of a condition at this stage.
    But without firm foundations,any attempts to improve matters will be like building castles in the air.
    Roaring and bawling at the small few who are genuinely trying,won't help matters...Keep flogging the best horses and they'll eventually break down.
    Sins

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    Could I mention that the Kennel Club have said ,and this might be of interest to Prospective Buyers of Cavaliers, that the KENNEL CLUB'S MATE SELECT is not only for the Benefit of Dog Breeders.

    I am quoting

    "It is an Essential Tool for Many Puppy Buyers who want to Ensure that the Person that they are buying a from has made Responsible Decisions .

    It Enables Puppy Buyers to go to a Breeder armed with all the Information that they need .

    IT IS PUPPY BUYERS CREATING A DEMAND FOR HEALTHY PUPPIES FROM RESPONSIBLE THAT WILL DRIVE UNSCRUPULOUS BREEDERS OUT OF BUSINESS"

    So the Kennel Club's MATE SELECT is not just for Cavalier Breeders ,it is just as Important for the Buyers of Cavaliers.

    Sins has just mentioned about the FOETAL TISSUE RESEARCH ,I think the most Important Information but so Frightening is the Information that of the 85 Whelps Researched ,all had CM.

    This probably can be Linked to the Fact that around 90% Cavaliers are suffering from CM.

    I will repeat again, that this is Chacterised with Brains being too Big and Skulls too Small ,this information has been given by Dr C Rushbridge, Neurologist .

    This can cause Problems for the Flow of the Cerebro Spinal Fluid, causing Syrinxes leading onto SM.

    No the CM/SM Problem will never be Eradicated from our Cavaliers now ,it's too late for that.

    Jemima Harrison has recently mentioned that our Cavalier Breed is now in a GENETIC CUL DE SAC.

    She has mentioned Cavaliers being OUT CROSSED, but because of the Serious Genetic State the Breed is now in, Fresh Genes have got to come from Somewhere .

    Karlin has suggested Cavaliers being used out -with Show Scene Stock, that could be the answer .

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    I've only just seen this thread and to be honest my jaw has just hit the floor !!! I cannot believe that a dog with the extreme conditition that was exposed in that programme went on the produce even more litters

    What is going on in that breeders head???????? To be totally outed on that programme and to continue to breed puppies from that dog has left me speechless, does she have no shame. Is it money? is it that she doesn't care ?? or do the puppy buyers not care about the health of the puppies. Then the kennel club continued to register the pups ?? I think I must have fallen asleep and woke up in stupid land !!. I just don't know what to say......................

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    I think that 40 litters even from a sire clear of both SM and CM is disgusting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RodRussell View Post
    I think that 40 litters even from a sire clear of both SM and CM is disgusting.

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    TeamBella,

    I see we both live in God's Chosen Country !!!!


    I don't know if you are aware that because of the Exposure of the Cavalier mentioned on the PDE TV Program and Margaret's involvement with it , she was hounded out of the UK CKCS CLUB as their Health Representative.

    It was the PDE TV Program that was responsible for Making the Cavalier Buying Public aware of the Serious CM/SM Problem Afflicting Cavaliers .

    And the PDE Program is called TRASH,was it just because it made the Buyers of Cavaliers aware of CM/SM.

    Sad to say this comment has just come from a Newly Appointed CKCS CLUB Member to the CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE!!!!!

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    How can any of you possibly think of using dogs from puppy concentration camps as I call them. Nobody should encourage this torturous trade. Have you not seen the videos and photos all over the internet. Iam shocked that any of you would even cosider dogs from these places to save our breed. Surely it is our duty ,as caring, animal loving humans to help to STOPthis barbaric torture of innocent dogs and pay more attention to campaigning to get some rules laid down for breeders to be UNABLE to breed dogs that carry these bad genes. I AM SO SHOCKED AND VERY SISSAPOINTED. Pease go and look on the PUPPY LOVE site and there are many other sites where you can see the horrors of breeding dogs this way. PLEASE HELP TO STOP THIS NOW!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cavluvver View Post
    How can any of you possibly think of using dogs from puppy concentration camps as I call them. Nobody should encourage this torturous trade. Have you not seen the videos and photos all over the internet. Iam shocked that any of you would even cosider dogs from these places to save our breed. Surely it is our duty ,as caring, animal loving humans to help to STOPthis barbaric torture of innocent dogs and pay more attention to campaigning to get some rules laid down for breeders to be UNABLE to breed dogs that carry these bad genes. I AM SO SHOCKED AND VERY SISSAPOINTED. Pease go and look on the PUPPY LOVE site and there are many other sites where you can see the horrors of breeding dogs this way. PLEASE HELP TO STOP THIS NOW!!!!!

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    I thought I would give some Pedigree facts about the Cavalier Breeding in the 1980's

    There is much claim about not throwing the Baby Out with the Bath Water so that the Cavalier Gene Pool is not Reduced.

    That in the 1980's it is claimed by some Cavalier Breeders to-day ,they were spoiled for Choice for knowing where to go for their Breeding Programs.

    So why on earth did some of those Cavalier Breeders do Half-Brother to Half -Sister Matings.

    I don't know ,but did some of those CM/SM Genes come to-gether in the 1980's and because of some of the Close In- Breeding that was going on at that time ,that was where maybe the CM/SM started.

    We now know that about 90% of Cavaliers have CM.

    I am quoting this from a Report from Dr C Rusbridge,Neurologist,


    CM is Chacterized between the Brain Being Too Big ,Skull Too Small.

    This Blocks up the OPENING from the Skull into the Spinal Cord and Alters the Cerebro Fluid .

    As a Result Fluid Filled Cavaties Develope within the Spinal Cord called a SYRINX

    This Condition is Called CM

    Jemima Harrison has also said in a Blog ,that Cavaliers are at a GENETIC CUL DE SAC.

    How can their Genetic Pool get any Smaller .

    There has to be Fresh Genes Brought into the Breed from some-where.

    Will it be from the Cavalier Breeders who are only Breeding from Cavaliers with no CM/SM Genes.

    This could then lead to the the POPULAR SIRE SYNDROME.

    What a GENETIC HEALTH MESS OUR CAVALIERS ARE IN TO-DAY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bet View Post
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    I thought I would give some Pedigree facts about the Cavalier Breeding in the 1980's

    There is much claim about not throwing the Baby Out with the Bath Water so that the Cavalier Gene Pool is not Reduced.

    That in the 1980's it is claimed by some Cavalier Breeders to-day ,they were spoiled for Choice for knowing where to go for their Breeding Programs.

    So why on earth did some of those Cavalier Breeders do Half-Brother to Half -Sister Matings.

    I don't know ,but did some of those CM/SM Genes come to-gether in the 1980's and because of some of the Close In- Breeding that was going on at that time ,that was where maybe the CM/SM started.

    We now know that about 90% of Cavaliers have CM.

    I am quoting this from a Report from Dr C Rusbridge,Neurologist,


    CM is Chacterized between the Brain Being Too Big ,Skull Too Small.

    This Blocks up the OPENING from the Skull into the Spinal Cord and Alters the Cerebro Fluid .

    As a Result Fluid Filled Cavaties Develope within the Spinal Cord called a SYRINX

    This Condition is Called CM

    Jemima Harrison has also said in a Blog ,that Cavaliers are at a GENETIC CUL DE SAC.

    How can their Genetic Pool get any Smaller .

    There has to be Fresh Genes Brought into the Breed from some-where.

    Will it be from the Cavalier Breeders who are only Breeding from Cavaliers with no CM/SM Genes.

    This could then lead to the the POPULAR SIRE SYNDROME.

    What a GENETIC HEALTH MESS OUR CAVALIERS ARE IN TO-DAY.

    Bet


    Just noticed I made a mistake in my Quote from Dr C Rusbridge, Neurologist,

    The FLUID FILLED CAVATIES WHICH DEVELOPE WITHIN THE SPINAL CORD CALLED A SYRINX


    PLEASE NOTE THIS CONDITION IS CALLED SM

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    I think PDE needs to be aired several times again. And be added too.
    ..Life wouldn't be complete without a beautiful cavalier at your feet..
    xxxx Mummy to Murphy, aged 8. MVD wont stop my precious boy! xxxx
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