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    Quote Originally Posted by anniemac View Post
    .you have to understand in the usa, very few people are even scanning. I was thinking of a puppy out of the country just so I could have scanned parents.
    It is up to determined buyers like you to keep asking for puppies from scanned parents and refusing to be fobbed off when they say...

    It is not necessary, the number of SM cavaliers is exaggerated.

    It is not necessary because I don't have it in my lines.

    It is too expensive.

    It is too far to travel for an MRI

    And then of course there is those who imply...... my dog has it but it is no problem, just a little scratching, just a limp occasionally, nothing to worry about, a lot of fuss about nothing.

    Anne, you had a cavalier with SM. We have many many USA owners who write asking for advice and support for their SM dogs.
    What do you think is going to happen when USA breeders continue to breed unscanned dogs?
    Will SM go away all by itself?

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    . I guess I live in a dream world.
    It appears that way sometimes.

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    . If anything, I wish people could know how to contribute to research, find responsible breeders and more of this is what you can do to help.

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    That's what CavalierMatters, Ruperts Fund, Cavalier Collection Scheme,CavalierPuppy Buying Advice, Cavalier Campaign and Foetal Tissue Research are doing. Interestingly all but one pet owner initiatives.

    Only FTR has had any support from Cavalier Clubs, and breeder support for that seem to be waning now that their key researcher has confirmed the scale of the SM problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RodRussell View Post
    I can only speak about cavaliers, so I know nothing about the other breeds discussed in PDE, but I can tell you that as far as the criticisms of PDE regarding cavaliers is concerned, roughly 90+% of that criticism is phony. Whether it is the falsehood about the dog being denied its meds, or whatever, the criticisms have been largely a combination of people spreading falsehoods about PDE and other people blindly falling for those falsehoods.

    http://pedigreedogsexposed.blogspot....hs-busted.html
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    Hi

    You know I ask the question and I firmly believe there should be a Part Two but I have to admit I
    have never even seen Part One ,I consider myself not a wimp but a big cowerd as far as our animal
    friends ggo I cannot bear to see any living thing hurt or suffer so there was no chance I could watch
    our Cavaliers suffer none whatsoever .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian M View Post
    Hi

    You know I ask the question and I firmly believe there should be a Part Two but I have to admit I
    have never even seen Part One ,I consider myself not a wimp but a big cowerd as far as our animal
    friends ggo I cannot bear to see any living thing hurt or suffer so there was no chance I could watch
    our Cavaliers suffer none whatsoever .
    You think because I have questions on whether or not pde made breeders less open about SM means I want cavaliers to suffer? This is exactly what I'm afraid of. I absolutely don't want that but because I have questions on what the result caused of the first one, that means I want them to suffer? I simply don't know if it made less people want to be open because of risk of the stigma I feel PDE placed on SM a condition that we are still learning about. Each time I ask questions about CM or anything else, it gets twisted that I'm not wanting the best interest. That's what I don't like.

    Do I know if more would be open with mri results? I have no idea.

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    I am on the fence. Just would like input from breeders,clubs, and genetics l. I would like for people not.to not.fear of open

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    Quote Originally Posted by anniemac View Post
    You think because I have questions on whether or not pde made breeders less open about SM means I want cavaliers to suffer? This is exactly what I'm afraid of. I absolutely don't want that but because I have questions on what the result caused of the first one, that means I want them to suffer? I simply don't know if it made less people want to be open because of risk of the stigma I feel PDE placed on SM a condition that we are still learning about. Each time I ask questions about CM or anything else, it gets twisted that I'm not wanting the best interest. That's what I don't like.

    Do I know if more would be open with mri results? I have no idea.

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    I think everyone knows you are just trying to make sense of a very confusing situation where nothing is straightforward.

    I do think that PDE brought the subject of SM out into the open in a way that would have taken many more years if it had not been shown.

    The stigma is to know there is SM in cavaliers and to hide the fact.

    Anne, I was the Cavalier Club spokesperson for 6 years. I know exactly what it was like then, and the change that has come about because of the film, because I was battling against the denial and the cover up of SM that went on.

    Towards the end of those years my friends were scared to be seen talking to me because I had became so unpopular for publicising something the influential breeders did not want talked about.

    I did not dare sell 'For the Love of Ollie' openly on the Cavalier Club health stall at shows because of the complaints it would bring.

    There was a lot of unspoken intimidation and decent breeders that did scan were worried that they would be called 'health freaks' and it would affect their chances of winning in the show ring.

    Stud dog owners were outspoken in their fury if anyone scanned offspring from their dogs.

    Breeders that had SM dogs, and since PDE it has become clear just how many there were, kept very quiet about them and usually rehomed them quickly.
    They would refuse to answer pet owners who tried to tell them of the problems they had encountered,and made threats of legal action if they persisted.

    Breeders that had young dogs operated on, or were known to be in conflict with USA breeders that had found the UK cavaliers they had bought were scratching and screaming, nevertheless poured scorn on what have now proved to be low estimates of affected dogs, libelled the specialists that were trying to help, and put pressure on clubs to stop cooperation with researchers.

    After PDE, and the first furious denials that there was any problem, more breeders in the UK began to scan their dogs ( the low cost centres suddenly became very busy ) and heart & eye clinics had a large increase in numbers.

    And ask yourself, how do you learn about a condition when nobody will admit that their dogs have it? When they won't scan to see if their dogs are affected? When they won't provide the information the researchers need?
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    Default Pedigree dogs exposed "mark2" -should it be made

    Quote Originally Posted by anniemac View Post
    That's a good idea

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    PEDIGREE DOGS EXPOSED "MARK 2" - SHOULD IT BE MADE


    Anne,

    Could I also suggest that you Contact the Researchers into CM/SM, about all the Questions you have about those Conditions Afflicting our Cavalier Breed.

    No doubt they will give you a lot of Information.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bet View Post
    PEDIGREE DOGS EXPOSED "MARK 2" - SHOULD IT BE MADE


    Anne,

    Could I also suggest that you Contact the Researchers into CM/SM, about all the Questions you have about those Conditions Afflicting our Cavalier Breed.

    No doubt they will give you a lot of Information.


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    I have never been in contact with Dr. Rusbridge except an email to say thank you. I interviewed Dr. Marino. I do not doubt the statistics at all.

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    Rod,

    There are reasons that I will not get into on this board, that I would definately not want a PDE 3 in the usa. We can discuss of this board.

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    Default Pedigree dogs exposed "mark 2"-should it be made

    Quote Originally Posted by anniemac View Post
    Rod,

    There are reasons that I will not get into on this board, that I would definately not want a PDE 3 in the usa. We can discuss of this board.

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    PEDIGREE DOGS EXPOSED "MARK 2" -SHOULD IT BE MADE


    I am feeling very CRABBIT at the moment ,I am suffering from Sciatica.!!!!,but I feel I Really have to answer Anne about the The PDE TV Program

    I cannot speak about the other Breeds of Dogs that were involved in the Program , but if it had not been for the Shock Way of dealing with the SM Problem in our Beloved Cavalier Breed ,no notice would ever have been taken or the Cavalier Buying Pubilc been made aware about the Suffering that SM causes to our Cavaliers

    I will never forget the Screaming of the Cavalier in the Program, nor will I am sure many Lovers of the Cavalier Breed.So if the PDE Program has made the News-Papers ,etc aware of what a Cavalier is Suffering , then Thank You Jemima Harrison.

    Softly ,Softly ,Cachee Monkey ,is absolutely no use in how the SM Problem is dealt with for Cavaliers.

    We have now gained more information about the CM Problem in the Cavalier Breed, that about 90% Cavaliers have CM ,also 85 Whelps Researched for the Foetal Tissue Research , ALL HAD CM.

    CM is Chacterised with the Brains being too Big for the Skulls ,hindering the Flow of Cerebro Spinal Fluid .this causes Syrinxes to Form then SM.

    Anne ,if you don't believe me about this ,contact Dr C Rusbridge, Neurologist, where she has mentioned it on the Intrenet.

    Also maybe you could read many of the Veterinary Papers on the Internet ,which have been Peer Reviewed about the CM/SM Problem in our Cavalier Breed where I am sure you will get all the Answers to your Questions.

    Maybe even contact Jemima Harrison as well.

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