...:shock:Is this not why the original club voted not to be a part of the AKC? Seems to me they did attempt to shelter the breed, so to speak, from being overbred/indisciminately bred but the demand for our beautiful dogs has been very high. Where would you have these interested cavalier enthusiasts go? BYB, puppy mills?
You are not making sense to me here, Karen. If you could re-state this differently, I might understand. I will guess what you mean. The CKCSC,USA voted against it being the parent club in the AKC for a few reasons, which included:
-- As the parent club, it would have no enforceable code of ethics
-- As the parent club, it would have no control over registration of cavaliers
-- It opposed AKC recognizing the breed because the deluge of publicity would result in over-breeding by new breeders who would, in the main, be un-mentored and probably opportunists and for other wrong reasons.
-- The breed had (and still does) a severe genetic health problem, MVD, which more and more and more breeding would cause to worsen.
The demand is high because of AKC recognition. AKC has done serious damage to the breed, by recognizing it, hyping it, and not doing anything about the genetic health problems. Prior to AKC recognition, the breed was barely on the radar screens of the commercial breeders. AKC has caused this problem, but it could care less, because it needed (and still needs), in its mind, more litter and puppy registrations, and that was all that it had to think about to make it want to add the CKCS to its list.
...You are making it sound as though breeders are purposefully trying to breed unhealthy dogs and are no better then the aforementioned two.
Those who refuse to follow the MVD breeding protocol and the SM breeding protocol ARE doing that! They are either ignorant of the existence of those protocols -- for which you may blame the two national clubs for refusing to recommend them or even acknowledge their existence -- or those breeders are intentionally refusing to follow the protocols.
... "If these breeders have been doing nothinging but line breeding, they ought to leave now!"
:bang:Give me a break. You know I did not mean that in the literal sense as you have taken this out of context.
I don't know what you meant, other than what you wrote. I don't know you, otherwise.
... I meant that breeders are seeking out other breeders whom they may not have chosen in the past as suitors to incorporate in their own lines at that time. For whatever reasons. I feel, at least from what I am seeing and hearing many experienced breeders are trying to mix up their gene pools now as they are finally seeing what desperate straights we are really in. Perhaps this has been too long in the coming but again change does take time. And I'm certain that if I had have been breeding for years and years as some of them have been doing I may have not have been able to see that my contributions to the breed where not as wonderful as what I had first thought. I believe many breeders have not followed breeding protocols because they felt that there was not enough research to back up a hypothesis.
They should have been doing this all along, if they knew anything about the genetic disorders in the breed. This is another example of their intent to ignore the problems.
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If these breeders had not taken to this wonderful breed in the first place we wouldn't even be having this discussion now would we because there wouldn't have been any cavaliers to have this debate over--would there? And many cavalier owners would never have known the true joy of owning one of these sweet little dogs.
This is getting silly.
... :yikesCould you please point me in the direction to a research study to disprove this as it seems to me this would tend to make sense. Why is it so, if it is, that the cerebellum still keeps pace? I had not heard of this but I am very new I do admit.
That is the problem: You think it makes sense. But the research shows that common sense does not always pan out. You need to educate youself more about the breed's health issues. But look at it this way: If the cerebellum is larger than the skull, why would breeding for a larger skull mean that the cerebellum would no longer be larger? The fact is that the cerebellum is larger than the skull, regardless of the size of the skull. Have you not read
http://www.cavalierhealth.org/syringomyelia.htm#Chiari-like ?
... I am not all one-sided here though it may sound that way I am just feeling that people who have been dedicated cavalier enthusiasts/breeders for such a long time DO deserve credit for attempting to breed, what I'll bet they felt at the time, was the best representatives of the breed.
If these "dedicated" breeders have not been following the MVD breeding protocol for the past 14 years, then they have been dedicated only to themselves.
... Do not lump ALMOST ALL breeders into a selfish pack of money mongers as there is not much money to be had in breeding without a master plan, especially in Cavaliers right now.:shock:
Leaving the money out, they are either blindly ignornant or damagingly callous to these severe genetic health problems.
They are the problem!
...If there is something else you would like to direct at me personally for feeling as strongly as I do, please do not hesitate to pm. I do not mind the spar-just prefer it in my own space please.
Karen, I started out my previous post by writing to you: "I appreciate the thought you have given to these issues, Karen. Please don't take my comments personally. I, too, have given a lot of thought to these issues, and what I write are just my opinions, worth no more than anyone else's."