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Daisy - More Bads News From Chestergates Last Night

Brian M

Well-known member
HI

I am a bit lost ,hurt and disappointed this morning . I phoned Chestergates early yesterday to ask two questions ,firstly can I have a
copy of the xray mri images on a cd please and secondly I forgot to ask Mr Skerritt about Daisy's heart as I presume she was checked
before her G A .The nurse who was with Daisy phoned me at 5.45pm and said the part of their scanner that copies to cd is broken so for
now they cant do it but Mr S did give me on the xray sheet the most appropriate images ,OK I can live wthout that, so hows her heart as MR
S didnt mention it ,out of the blue she commented Daisy has a murmur.

That was like a kick in the bxxx I could feel myself go cold ,then next she said you can get another referral and come and see our cardiologist,
not now let me think .How could this not have been mentioned on Monday ,my opinion of Chestergates is severely dented .


So I have an appointment at my vets at 11.10 today and started thinking who is the best around I can take Daisy to ,so I phoned North
West Surgeons in Runcorn its another referral hospital the one Rosie was almost going to have her patella op and ther cardiologist is Mr Simon
Swift .When I phoned last night to see if hes available they were closed but open today at 8.30 when I will ring and see if Daisy can see him.

So my plan is phone NWS at 8.30 then phone my insurers AXA then go to my vets at 11.10 then if all works see Mr Swift today/tomorrow or Friday,
so I hope MR Swift is there .I dont know if I am doing right or wrong and tried to get some advice last night but unfortunately couldnt.


Will try and post as the day goes along ,also Dawn has got the docs at 9.10 and last night at the end of Lukes Karate lesson in L/pool the bxxxxx
car wouldnt start for the first time ever so I was pannicking over that as it was 10.00 pm and I had all 4 girls with me ,fortunately the AA turned up
and we got home at 11.30.Good ob I am on a weeks hols .Poor Daisy she is like a Russian Genera ie Daisy Murtagh SM ,SM,PSOM and poss MVD.:(
 
Brian I am really really sorry to read this, now you have concerns about Daisy`s heart, maybe they assumed that you already knew about her murmur, there was obviously a lot to take in on Monday and I know it`s often when to walk away that you suddenly realise that you should have asked certain questions, I know Daisy has other health issues but please don`t despair at her heart, not sure how old Daisy is now, but speaking from experience with a dog who was discovered to have heart problems at 8 yrs and knowing how I felt at the time, he is now 11 and a half and still has a good life with regular check ups, as least it`s good that you live in an area where you have a good choice of vets, living in a rural area we do not have this choice, although the vets I attend has hospital status and open 24 hours and excellent facilities. Thinking of you all.
 
Hi

Just phoned Nws and Mr Swift is available
Thurs or Fri ,next my vets and referral letter.
 
Hi

Just phoned Nws and Mr Swift is available
Thurs or Fri ,next my vets and referral letter.

Oh brian,

I'm so sorry to read this and can't believe that someone just happened to tell you when you called about images. When I think of hearts, simon swift comes to mind so I know you are seeing someone well known.

How old is Daisy? I know when ella was about 2 the vet said he thought he heard a murmer but is not something to be alarming and to check next visit since he wasn't sure and that sometimes it changes. (I think that is one reason it is recommended to have cardiologist exam b/c vets can't pick up as easily. Never heard anything about it for 3 yrs and completely normal. He said this sometimes happens.

I think this happened recently to shannon's holly but can't remember. I'm hoping this is the case with daisy. You have been through a lot but remember that a lot of this can be well managed.

She's the same dangerous daisy and hopefully new medication will get her back on track and dr. Swift says its a false alarm or something real mild.

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Oh Brian
Another shock for you I am so sorry. I must agree with you that you should have been told this at the consultation after the MRI. When Ebony was diagnosed at 2 by my old vet he just said very casual she got a murmur, when he saw the shock on my face he just said “Well it’s a Cavalier” You are seeing a good cardiologist. I know what you are going through, I think I seen my vet more then I seen my husband this year. God you must be glad when life gets backs to a bit of normality.
 
Poor Brian,
I'm sure you have been so worried.

This is really not a life sentence, most cavaliers will develop a murmur at some time and most of them live for years without any symptoms, so don't despair too soon.

Simon Swift is about the best known cardiologist in the cavalier world because he has been the 'Cavalier Club Cardiologist' and involved in the club heart testing scheme for years. So you could not be taking Daisy to anyone better qualified to give advice.

When you do pluck up the courage to watch PDE you will see Simon being interviewed at a cavalier show.

Give Daisy a big hug from me
 
Hi Sabby

And thanks .Just back from the docs and Dawn was told come back in two weeks as the doctor is concerned about her weight loss
she has lost 7 lb in three weeks and is now 9 st 7 lb ,she has had severe migraine attacks for years but now has stomach problems
so she was prescribe Lansoprazole 30mg once daily and if no improvement in two weeks it will be the camera down to see whats happening.


Back to Daisy I phoned AXA and they were fine and no objection at all about going to North West Surgeons ,about 30 mins by car ,and
AXA have already emailed another claim form so we now see my vets at 11.10 today for another referral letter which should be no problem and
then Mr Simon Swift on either Thurs or Friday of this week . I suppose in a way all this should happen when I am off for a week which
is ideal and its amazing that the people I wanted Daisy to see have all been available so I have been very lucky there.

http://www.nwsurgeons.co.uk/services-cardiology.php N.W.S.

http://www.nwsurgeons.co.uk/specialists/40/simon-swift.php Mr Simon Swift

My car is fine it was me .I sit outside The Red Triangle Karate Club every Tues and Thurs from 6.30 till Luke comes out about 9.45 and of course I
had the radio on and was checking the SatNav for directions and when we came to to go home the battery was flat and so I phoned Honda Care and
within an hour the AA turned up put jump leads on and it started straight off ,he checked the battery and its charging rate and even said thats fine
no need for a new battery just dont use all the electric gadgets while I am sitting waiting with the engine off .Initially I did think xxxxxxxxxxx hell
what will I do now stuck in the middle of L/Pool in a not so good area with Luke and four Cavaliers ,but alls well in the end.The car is a CRV which
I bought from new as Honda have a superb reliabilty record and its nice and big to take four Cavaliers and three humans and its never ever
let me down before ,its just on 4 years old and has done aout 60 k so will prob keep for another 12 months or so then get another one

http://www.kugb.org/kugb-instructor-sensei-profiles.php Sensi Sherry 8th Dan ,Luke's instructor last night the highest and best in Europe


Hope I am doing right for Daisy as I have never been through all this before so If I am doing wrong please HELP and tell me.
 
God you had a lot to deal with this week. I just hope Dawn will be ok as well.
And of course you doing things right for Daisy, she has the best dad a Cavalier could have.
 
Oh Brian it never rains but it pours!!! What a terrible week you've had. In my humble little opinion you are doing everything that an owner of 4 beautiful cavaliers should do. Like Margaret said a murmur isnt necessarily a death sentance so dont panic just yet, its just on top of everything else this week you must be think what next!

Sending my very best wishes to you and Dawn, hope she improves soon.

Leo sends kisses to your 4 girls....keep your chin up....you'll get there
:hug:
 
Hi

Been home about an hour after our Vet visit which was fine saw Laura and she promised to fax the referral letter by 1.00 pm I then
took Dawn and Luke for a bite to eat to eat then the park with the girls for a walk and the inevitable game of ball with Rosie then home
to wait .1.20 came and no call so just started to put NWS phone number in the iphone got to 01 then the house phone rang and of course
it was them .Appointment made with Mr Simon Swift for 9.30 tomorrow,so a big thanks to Laura and of course all our members here on CT.


I think the biggest shock and upset was the heart murmur advice probaly because I wasnt looking for it and the way it was given and that
with Daisy's SM diagnosis it was maybe what I expected and had therefore already accepted that .In hindsight I was maybe wrong to be critical or think
bad of Chestergates as what has already been pointed out to me is that I went to Chestergates for a neurology exam and an MRI scan if
needed from one of the best in the business Mr G Skerritt and that is exactly what I got so have no reason whatsoever to complain there
and of course if the need arises with any of my other girls for an MRI it would be Cherstergates again for me . Just like I would not expect
Mr Swift to discuss in depth anthing other than Daisy's murmur.


Any advice as to what to expect and especially advice please on questions to ask .
 
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Brian....I am screaming with you!!!!

So glad you have an appointment this week, but am angered for you that this did not come up!!! are neurologists too focused on their area that they would forget it or think it is not worth noting?? my goodness!!

Hi

Just phoned Nws and Mr Swift is available
Thurs or Fri ,next my vets and referral letter.
 
Glad you have got an appointment so quick. Look at the two of us. You at the Cardioligist and Harley and Me for an MRI.
 
Oh Brian how awful to find out like that, it has certainly been a rotten week.

Sins and myself were only saying the other night how medication for heart
problems has improved, although I am sure you would rather not read that
this now does not have to be a death sentence. My Cassie lived for several
years with MVD well managed on tablets. This was not the case several
years ago and many of my Cavaliers died soon after diagnosis.

Sending hugs to you all.

Nanette
 
Tks Nan

One bit of good news we weighed her at the vets and she was 8.15 kilo so getting near breed std weight
of 8.00 but I want her down to 7.25 now I know about the mumur ,I used the coat king on her after a
bath as she has a very heavy coat that must be at least 5 kilo:) Tks
for all your help you are brill ,going to ring Babs in a minute just for some guidance

rgds

bri
 
Hello Brian

So sorry to read your news about Daisy- unfortunately its kind of a given these days that a Cavalier will have SM or a Murmor and there are quite a large percentage that have both so you aren't alone

For a start the Cardiologist may just liten to her heart and grade the murmor and feel no further action is needed at this point.
As you know murmors don't require medication so fingers crossed its just a low grade murmor that will just need monitoring over time.
At the same time if they listened to Daisys heart before she went under for her GA and she was slightly stressed or nervous about her situation this could make the murmor sound worse than it actually is so the Cardio may not grade very highly.
Things you can give Daisy in these situations is Vitamin E and Co-Enzye Q10 which are both naturaal blood thinners available at any health shop or chemist.


As you may know Charlie is under close supervision with his Grade 6 murmor that the Cardio said is probably worse than most grade 6's but there isn't a Grade 7 so we can't have that BUT he doesn't need any meds and he lives perfectly normally.

Best you can do for her on the heart front is get her weight at a slightly lean state and see what the Cardio says xx

Sorry again Brian and gentle hugs for the Dangerous Daisy!!!
 
Brian, so sorry to hear about the continuing issues with Daisy. Stay strong, and hugs to the girls from Claire and I.
 
Sorry to hear another thing has been added to your already overflowing plate of worries. Your a great dad and Daisy is a strong girl. Sending you both my best.
 
Brian, have just got back from holiday and catching up with all what has been going on with you and Daisy. Fingers crossed for good news today. You have all our support. :hug:
 
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