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    Default Daisy's MRI Scan - Where Do I Send

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    Where do I ask Chestergates to send copy scan to please ,and do we send heart
    results to anyone .?
    Brian M

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    Hi Brian,You don't have to ask Chestergates to do anything.I would simply e mail a copy of your mri reports (not the scans)and cardiology reports to Sarah Blott directly yourself for both of your cavaliers.You can attach your reports to the e mail.Just add a few words to the effect that you wish the results to be added to the EBV database.
    Just include your dogs names, KC registration number and date of birth.
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    Simon Swift keeps the heart database himself, so nothing to do there!

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    Just a note that people might want to keep in mind–the scans done by Chestergates are not to the standard required for the future EBV scheme–I would still send them directly along though to Sarah Blott.

    Unfortunately, Chestergates also do not ever send copies of scans automatically for this research – you must do this yourself so it is really important to make that personal effort! I do not know if they will send results even on request, and it is far better to submit them yourself whatever the case.

    If anyone else has had scans done and made the assumption that their scanning center anywhere in the UK, or in the world, would automatically send their scan to Sarah Blott and Tom Lewis -- please contact them directly to see if they have the scan. Most likely, it will not have been sent because apparently almost no centres have routinely sent scans and supported this research. That is one reason, along with breeders failing to submit the many scans they have done, that there is still no EBV scheme. Not a single scan has been submitted by an individual breeder in the past month, for example, and only 20 individuals have submitted scans in the entire past year, according to the meeting held between breeders, the BVA, and that Kennel Club last week at which these details were made publicly known (and which is being publicly discussed elsewhere by breeder attendees). As I know that pet owners have been the people submitting some of those scans, it is sad that there has been so little breeder support, as they have been holding their scanning days throughout this year, and hundreds of dogs must have been scanned since the start of the year. Unfortunately, most breeders and their clubs continue to go to the centers which do the scans that will not comply with the very EBV scheme they have requested, even though they are aware that this is the case. And they should be aware–and at the very least, their clubs should be aware–that it is then up to the breeders themselves to submit scans, so clubs can hardly say they were not aware and that this lack of awareness accounts for the low level of scan submissions from breeders and club scanning days over the past year. I hope that individual breeders are clearer now on the need to submit their own reports and understand the need to address where they scan. and to get consistency with the proposed scheme.

    I can confirm from direct inquiry to the researchers, however, that Stone Lion Vet Center in Wimbledon–where Clare Rusbridge works–routinely submits all scans, so if your scan was done there, you do not need to double check whether it has been sent.
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    Hi Karlin

    Advice Please .When you say submit a copy of the scans is it a copy of the written report I send or the scan itself .As when Daisy went the other week GS did a full body scan but gave me a copy on a sheet of scan paper and not on CD,I did phone and ask for a CD copy but was informed that the machine facilty to write to CD currently is not working .
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    Karlin wrote: the scans done by Chestergates are not to the standard required for the future EBV scheme

    Actually, as far as I know they're OK for the EBV scheme (which basically only needs to know that a dog has/hasn't got SM, not the exact grade), it's the KC/BVA MRI scheme (if/when it ever gets started!) that won't accept Chestergates as at present (I expect they'll start doing all scans under anaesthetic eventually).

    I think scanners not automatically submitting scans has to do with patient confidentiality - each patient would have to be asked for permission and I suspect a lot of them would refuse, as they don't send them in themselves either, so scanners have given up asking! They should, of course, simply put up a notice saying 'If you get your dog scanned here, the scan will be sent to the EBV scheme unles you specifically ask otherwise.'

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    Actually, it will be the same scheme– and a problem highlighted by researchers at last week's meeting about the EBV scheme/ BVA/KC scheme for the failure of the EBVs to exist is the lack of consistency and standards and quality of equipment across the different centers, making the scans all of varied quality (Which is hardly a new issue–this point has been made consistently, and has been well known to clubs, for a couple of years). There already was an agreed standard amongst a group of centers and neurologists and researchers that has been in existence for quite some time–at least about 2 years now–so scanning centers should have been well aware of the need to meet certain minimum requirements in order that scans be usable for the proposed BVA/KC scheme–which in effect is for the EBVs.

    There shouldn't have been any issue with patient confidentiality–all centres have to do is ask. As a matter of fact, owners have to sign releases anyway for the scans to happen and it is easy enough to just include a document to indicate the scans can be used for research purposes. The idea even back 2 or 3 years ago was that neurology and vet scanning centers should be automatically sending these through and the fact that this hasn't happened is quite a depressing discovery.
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    Hello Kate

    I am getting lost here .Daisy did have a general anaesthetic and not sedation and her MRI was a full body one ie brain,cervical spine and
    thoracolumbar region which took quite a long time compared to when G.S. can do up to 25 Cavaliers on club scanning days .Also
    when I took Rosie last Oct she also had an M.R.I. full body scan with G.A. and her results are on CD and of course both girls are KC registered ,guidance please.
    Brian M

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    Brian, you just need to send a copy of the Scan certificate to Sarah yourself. She doesn't need the scan.

    There are a number of reasons why Chestergate scans will not meet the minimum requirements at the moment for the future scheme, but researchers want the certificates anyway for now.
    Karlin
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    I have Gracie's scan on CD too. If so, can someone send me by PM the mailing address for Sarah for me to send it? Thanks,

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