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A new club for cavalier owners

Karlin said:
Basically asking why anyone would bother setting up another club when the kennel club already is full of breed clubs that people can join–which kind of misses the point. I am sure there will be a good response to Margaret's proposal, just as there was a very good response in California. :D
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Several of us who belong to the local AKC show club had decided we needed a group that was more focused on pet ownership and not so much on show issues. Cavaliers as a breed have become so much more prevalent in the past few years. And many new pet owners don't feel comfortable belonging to a show club feeling they are out of place as solely non-show owners. Our new group will meet 8 times a year with 4 of our meetings being education focused. We've gotten a terrific response!! I meet so many new Cavalier people who really want to learn more about how to care for their Cavaliers and about Cavalier health issues but aren't interested in the show aspects of ownership. Now I can comfortably invite them to join a serious pet based club....and when I say "serious" I mean we aren't just a social club. We are not under the auspices of any formal organization (ie AKC). There are plenty of people to fulfill membership in both types of clubs....in fact, several of our members belong to both the AKC club and our group. There isn't a conflict of interest since we are not at all show involved.
 
Thanks for the detail, Cathy! I think you will get a few more people thanks to this thread... :D. I had thought the club was within the AKC; my mistake. Perhaps not possible under the way they are organised? And maybe that will begin to change over time -- I do think owners without the show interest increasingly want a a serious involvement with their breed that show oriented clubs don't necessarily provide -- and want health and breed info, detailed and independent advice on finding a reputable breeder, breed-oriented fundraising activities, rescue, and the social side too. But are not interested in the show and breeding focus of typical breed clubs. I think that kind of companion club has a role within national kennel club organisations, too. :)
 
Cathy T said:
I meet so many new Cavalier people who really want to learn more about how to care for their Cavaliers and about Cavalier health issues but aren't interested in the show aspects of ownership. Now I can comfortably invite them to join a serious pet based club....and when I say "serious" I mean we aren't just a social club. We are not under the auspices of any formal organization (ie AKC). There are plenty of people to fulfill membership in both types of clubs....in fact, several of our members belong to both the AKC club and our group. There isn't a conflict of interest since we are not at all show involved.
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I will be picking your brains for ideas that have worked for you.

We do want to apply for registration with the KC, so we get consulted as a right when breed decisions are made, but it may prove difficult because we do not want to run conformation shows and so will not fully comply with the rules for breed clubs.
 
Margaret C said:
I will be picking your brains for ideas that have worked for you.

We do want to apply for registration with the KC, so we get consulted as a right when breed decisions are made, but it may prove difficult because we do not want to run conformation shows and so will not fully comply with the rules for breed clubs.
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I have no idea what the rules are which will apply to KC affiliation but would it make any difference if you have a significant number of members who do show in conformation shows. The KC actively sponsor Companion shows too, so having members who enter those is surely relevant?

Please add me to your list of probable members Margaret, but before committing myself I want to be sure of what exactly the aims and objectives of the new Club will be. There is no way I will ever align myself to breeder or conformation exhibitor bashing, but I am all in favour of reaching and educating pet owners, particularly concerning Cavalier health.
 
ByFloSin said:
I have no idea what the rules are which will apply to KC affiliation but would it make any difference if you have a significant number of members who do show in conformation shows. The KC actively sponsor Companion shows too, so having members who enter those is surely relevant?

Please add me to your list of probable members Margaret, but before committing myself I want to be sure of what exactly the aims and objectives of the new Club will be. There is no way I will ever align myself to breeder or conformation exhibitor bashing, but I am all in favour of reaching and educating pet owners, particularly concerning Cavalier health.
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Although we hope that pet owners, breeders and exhibitors will join, it will not make any difference, when applying for registration, what activity the individual members do with their dogs.

One of the problems that may arise is that KC regulations ask that breed clubs submit a list of approved judges every year. We will not be holding conformation shows so will not be drawing up such a list.

The draft aims of the Club are shown on post 9 of this thread, if you are still interested after reading them perhaps you will be able to join us and add to the discussions at the meeting?
 
I really wish I could be there at the Stoneleigh meeting Margaret. You may remember that I am waiting for surgery for cancer so it isn't a good idea to flog myself to death during the hiatus. I will be teaching IT for most of the day on the Wednesday, getting Little Joe bathed and groomed for the Champ Show and then travelling an hour and a half each way to the show at Stoneleigh on the Saturday, so reluctantly I have to take a rain check on the meeting.

I would be really grateful if you could let me have a note of how things to Margaret and please keep my name on your list of probable members.
 
Margaret C said:
I'm glad you think it is a good idea. You and Murphy are now on the list as potential members.

Hopefully you will be able and willing to share your experiences with Murphy with others that take on a puppy farm dog and have health & training problems?
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Yes I am willing to share my experiences with owning a puppy farm dog. This is such a good idea. Will I have to write it up and it will be shared on a website??
 
MurphysMummy said:
Yes I am willing to share my experiences with owning a puppy farm dog. This is such a good idea. Will I have to write it up and it will be shared on a website??
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You really don't have to do anything unless you want to, but that was what I was thinking could be a good idea, and perhaps owners with a newly adopted puppy farm dog could be put in contact with you and other owners, like Tania, who have experience of managing the special problems these unsocialised little dogs bring with them.

We could also perhaps regularly feature a cavalier that is needing rehoming.

Early days yet, we are still in the planning stages, so any suggestions welcomed.
 
Oh Margaret,

So glad this is going forward, I will try my very hardest to get there for the meeting, if I can get the dogs watched for the day but will let you know for sure at Discover dogs if you are there again this year.

I think there are many who have a lot of expertise to bring to a group like this, and I for one am IN!
:-D
 
ByFloSin said:
I really wish I could be there at the Stoneleigh meeting Margaret. You may remember that I am waiting for surgery for cancer so it isn't a good idea to flog myself to death during the hiatus. I will be teaching IT for most of the day on the Wednesday, getting Little Joe bathed and groomed for the Champ Show and then travelling an hour and a half each way to the show at Stoneleigh on the Saturday, so reluctantly I have to take a rain check on the meeting.

I would be really grateful if you could let me have a note of how things to Margaret and please keep my name on your list of probable members.
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Your name has been added. Good luck at the show.
 
Karen and Ruby said:
Oh Margaret,

So glad this is going forward, I will try my very hardest to get there for the meeting, if I can get the dogs watched for the day but will let you know for sure at Discover dogs if you are there again this year.

I think there are many who have a lot of expertise to bring to a group like this, and I for one am IN!
:-D
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I do hope you can make it.

Tania is taking the CavalierMatters to Discover Dogs & I hope to be there to help her, so we should get a chance to talk.
 
Margaret C said:
I do hope you can make it.

Tania is taking the CavalierMatters to Discover Dogs & I hope to be there to help her, so we should get a chance to talk.
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Yes- I said that I would be there to help for at least the Saturday but hoping to get up there on Sunday as well!
 
MurphysMummy said:
Yes I am willing to share my experiences with owning a puppy farm dog. This is such a good idea. Will I have to write it up and it will be shared on a website??
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Hi

Just wondering if you would like to go to the meeting? We are going so you could come with us if you like.

We would leave about 9.30ish.
 
Yay! So glad there will be Tania & the team again at Discover Dogs–this was such a great success before, and it is such a wonderful effort both in terms of education and sharing knowledge and the pleasures of owning this breed. Plus–great shopping! Wish I could be there for the 1st meeting of the proposed club.
 
I would like to make it clear that the Companion Cavalier Club is not being set up in opposition to the existing breed clubs, they do an excellent job for cavalier owners that enjoy conformation showing. The new club is to provide a sort of one-stop-shop of information and services for those that want to know what else they can do with their cavalier.

There are in fact some events organised by breed clubs that would be great fun for non-club owners but, as they are often only advertised in specialist dog papers, pet owners often do not get to hear of them.

The wonderful Southern Cavalier Welfare organisation are holding a Christmas Tea Party on December 3rd, with CLEVER CAVALIERS providing some of the entertainment.
I have posted the flyer below, but of course, as the general cavalier chat threads continue this information will disappear. On a static club website 'Coming Events' page we can have all sorts of information brought together for any cavalier owner, old or new, to see.

Fun shows and companion shows are held all over the country and, in the summer especially, could well offer great meeting places for small groups of pet cavalier owners to spend some time together. They could share a picnic together (or buy a burger from the van at the show ). There would be fun classes to enter and most cavaliers should do well in the 'waggiest tail' or 'the most beautiful eyes'. Unlike the more seriously competitive conformation shows these events are usually very child friendly.

You will see below that the Japanese Chin Club & the Humberside Cavalier Club are both running Companion shows in the next month or so. These shows are usually open to all dogs ( so I could take my cavalier to the chin show & a chin to the cavalier show if I wished )
The regulations for these shows state........
"A Companion Dog Show may schedule an unlimited number of classes for both pedigree and non-pedigree dogs whether registered or unregistered", so your cavalier does not have to be KC registered to enter some of the classes.

You can also see the notice about the new Companion Cavalier Club that was published in the Dog World paper this week.

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Just to note: anyone can post an event on the calendar on the site here. It is one of the very underused features! Maybe a good idea to set up a subforum with upcoming events too... so that things people mention don;t get buried as this 'general' forum has a lot of activity and threads go off the main page rapidly. :)

Edited to add: I added an events/health clinics sub forum here. People can use it to link to the companion club listings when it is up and running, or to any other events such as health clinics and things like Discover Dogs, funfairs, fundraising events etc. I should have set up something like this ages ago. Be sure to also add to the calendar as upcoming events are highlighted on the main forum page each day!
 
Karlin said:
Just to note: anyone can post an event on the calendar on the site here. It is one of the very underused features! Maybe a good idea to set up a subforum with upcoming events too... so that things people mention don;t get buried as this 'general' forum has a lot of activity and threads go off the main page rapidly. :)

Edited to add: I added an events/health clinics sub forum here. People can use it to link to the companion club listings when it is up and running, or to any other events such as health clinics and things like Discover Dogs, funfairs, fundraising events etc. I should have set up something like this ages ago. Be sure to also add to the calendar as upcoming events are highlighted on the main forum page each day!
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Thanks Karlin,

I have added the information about the inaugural meeting on the sub forum but found it impossible to add it to the Calendar as the menu only seemed to go up to 2010?
 
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