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    Quote Originally Posted by MadeleineSarah View Post
    Oliver is also a skinny mini and 11kgs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Karlin View Post
    How can you know this though? We haven;t seen any images of this dog and cannot tell if weight is appropriate. I have had cavaliers into rescue that weighed close to 40lbs and they were appropriate in weight to their build, despite being well beyond breed standard. Breed standard is a basic guideline for show dogs and cannot be used to assess appropriate weight for any given dog. Any more than saying all women should weigh 125-135 lbs. A vet would be best to make this call for this dog -- someone who can actually see and assess the individual dog in person.

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    I agree, I have a 4 year old son who weights 26 lbs which is 11.7 kg, that is extremely small for a 4 year old however, he's just a small kid he has small parents. Everyone is different so are dogs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MomObvious View Post
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    I agree, I have a 4 year old son who weights 26 lbs which is 11.7 kg, that is extremely small for a 4 year old however, he's just a small kid he has small parents. Everyone is different so are dogs...

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    Okay...double "LIKE". Soooo true Karlin * The Vet would be the best judge of whether the dog is obese..needs a different diet or not. I agree...there cannot be a set standard. Every dog is different like every individual.

    ..and like you said Melissa..our grand-daughter is very small for her age ( & doctor says that's fine)
    So was I..and so was her Mom.
    In fact..my little grandma from Scotland...she was only 4" 11"..and my grandpa was only 5" 6"...so we come from small stock...lol..
    My hubby on the other hand comes from the opposite....haha !! He is tall..and his family were all BIG guys.
    Yep...everyone is different ( including dogs)....that's what makes it interesting
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    i remember i was in ireland on a adventure trip a few years back..i googled my user name (As one dose from time to time) and came across a pciture *I* took of MY OLIVER..posted by someone else on another cavalier fourm..saying how horrible of a owner we were for letting him get so 'fat'. i was DEVESTATED and so hurt and angry..i came on here and ranted. then went to the link and deleted all pictures so that this picture didnt show up on the fourm any longer.

    we didnt LET him get that fat...we walked him all the time..he was on DIET food.. he was just a round guy.
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    I think this is part of the problem....diet food.

    I have a very fat cat who is on diet food. She eats half the amount she's supposed to, but /and is very lazy. As far as I can see her diet food is full of carbs & fat. Ok, so she has a lovely glossy coat, but ribs ? What ribs ?! I'm moving her over to raw very soon (just plucking up the courage !)

    I 'm struggling a bit with images of slim Cavs that weigh more than my cav - surely there is a breed standard or else they wouldn't be pedigrees ? Also am wondering if people have lost sight of what is an appropriate weight ?

    Maisie is taller & longer than average, yet weighs 7 something kgs - she must be very thin ?! Interestingly, all the cav 's we've seen out walking are, at best, plump. I'm not sure how much she was walked before I got her (a rescue) but its been commented that she doesn't have a lot of muscle on her shoulders.

    Yes I realize kids & people are different, I have a tall, strong, but not fat daughter & a short, narrow but not thin daughter. Neither would get into crufts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valentina View Post
    Hi, if your dog isn't obese, she's certainly EXTREMELY overweight - please rethink the snacks.

    My girl is 7.4kgs & pretty much spot on. She is also slightly longer legged than the average cav.
    What a huge leap to make considering you've never clapped eyes on the dog! Cavalier come in such a wide range of height and length now, my two are complete opposites in both these area's. Misty is shorter, not as long, and has well sprung ribs, she recently lost 1kg after ballooning while on Prednisolone. Murphy is not to breed standards at all, he is 16 inches at the shoulder, and really long, like I said he's 11kg, but looking at him he's not overweight at all. He runs everywhere, and my vet often comments on how muscly he is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valentina View Post
    I 'm struggling a bit with images of slim Cavs that weigh more than my cav - surely there is a breed standard or else they wouldn't be pedigrees ? Also am wondering if people have lost sight of what is an appropriate weight ?
    I certainly haven't lost sight of either of my two's weight's, overwise Misty wouldn't have been on a diet lately. Here's a picture of my boy(who I'm perfectly happy with!)
    Paula - mum to Murphy(6) & Misty(7), and Jerry our cat.

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    As with humans, dogs vary according to their inherited metabolism, as well as how much they get to eat. Some dogs never put on weight, others only have to look at food to add on the pounds. A fit Cavalier should have a visible waist and you should be able to feel their ribs quite easily. Instead of guessing at a one-size fits all target weight, get your dog to that level of fitness, weigh them and make that their optimum weight and try to keep them to it.

    The UK breed standard specifies 12 - 18lb (roughly 5.5kg - 8kg), but very few show dogs are 12lb and quite a few are over 18lb. A lot of pet Cavaliers are bigger and taller, so will weigh a little more. My Oliver has been a (moderately successful) show dog, is 14ins at the shoulder, weighs 10kg/22lb and is very fit. Aled is a little smaller, also fit and quite slim and usually weighs around 9.8kg. He eats about half the amount Oliver gets and isn't greedy. Oliver eats twice as much and is a constant hoover and thief when he can manage it! So although you will need to have a target weight in mind when trying to slim down a very overweight Cavalier, with other Cavaliers just keep them at what for them as individuals is fit and don't worry too much about comparing weights.

    If your vet is like mine, they will tell you when your dog is fit and the right weight by constantly exclaiming 'It's so nice to see a fit Cavalier!'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kate H View Post
    As with humans, dogs vary according to their inherited metabolism, as well as how much they get to eat. Some dogs never put on weight, others only have to look at food to add on the pounds. A fit Cavalier should have a visible waist and you should be able to feel their ribs quite easily. Instead of guessing at a one-size fits all target weight, get your dog to that level of fitness, weigh them and make that their optimum weight and try to keep them to it. The UK breed standard specifies 12 - 18lb (roughly 5.5kg - 8kg), but very few show dogs are 12lb and quite a few are over 18lb. A lot of pet Cavaliers are bigger and taller, so will weigh a little more. My Oliver has been a (moderately successful) show dog, is 14ins at the shoulder, weighs 10kg/22lb and is very fit. Aled is a little smaller, also fit and quite slim and usually weighs around 9.8kg. He eats about half the amount Oliver gets and isn't greedy. Oliver eats twice as much and is a constant hoover and thief when he can manage it! So although you will need to have a target weight in mind when trying to slim down a very overweight Cavalier, with other Cavaliers just keep them at what for them as individuals is fit and don't worry too much about comparing weights. If your vet is like mine, they will tell you when your dog is fit and the right weight by constantly exclaiming 'It's so nice to see a fit Cavalier!' Kate, Oliver and Aled
    My cavalier is basically the smallest cavalier we've ever met. He's about 13 inches at the shoulder, and last he was weighed, he was 14.9 lbs. That's a new top weight for him. He's 3 (DOB 2/7/09). Up until last year, when he started Flyball training, he was right around 13.5 lbs. Once he got into it, he went over 14 lbs, and was generally around 14.5, give or take a few ounces. I've been doing a lot of muscle building work (jumping over and back over a jump, going up on his back legs to touch a target stick, and working on a handstand) to get him more conditioned for when he starts racing, so I think that's why he's a little bit heavier now. He's very muscular for the breed, and has an abdominal tuck, but you have to get your hands under his hair to notice it. I can tell if he's gained a few ounces just by picking him up. Anyway, I am happy with his condition. Most of the vets where I take him are happy with his condition, though one this winter suggested putting a pound on him for the winter. I prefer to keep him on the slightly thin side, basically just making ideal weight. Our vet has multiple doctors, and except that one, everyone is very pleased with his condition. Because he is involved in something that basically involves repetitive jumping, and hitting the box, I think it's more important for him not to carry any extra weight.

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    Breed height standard is actually 12 inches at the shoulder, so he'd actually be a little tall f 13". And even at 13.5 he is into breed standard weight so I wouldn't worry or consider this to be too small a size. I have two that are 11 and 12 lbs or so (rescues) and they are both in good weight for their build -- no reason to put extra weight on them.

    Lots of cavaliers -- at least half of all I ever got into national rescue over 7 years -- were either under or over breed standard weights -- mostly over. So it really is just a guideline for the breed but not a requirement for the health of an individual dog whose build might not match breed standard.

    On the health end of things, keeping a cavalier in good weight and even slightly on the lean side is going to mean the dog will have considerably more likelihood of living longer. A study on labradors concluded being overweight cut on average about 2 YEARS off the dog's life and that is in a breed that doesn't have endemic heart disease like the cavalier so keeping dogs fit and in proper weight is so important. Exercise is so important too and doing fun activities like agility and flyball is fantastic! Most dogs just love these activities even if done on the most casual basis.

    One real weight concern are breeders who deliberately breed small cavaliers especially anything ridiculous like 'teacup cavaliers' which does have a considerable risk of introducing serious health problems in individual dogs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karlin View Post
    Breed height standard is actually 12 inches at the shoulder, so he'd actually be a little tall f 13". And even at 13.5 he is into breed standard weight so I wouldn't worry or consider this to be too small a size. I have two that are 11 and 12 lbs or so (rescues) and they are both in good weight for their build -- no reason to put extra weight on them.

    Lots of cavaliers -- at least half of all I ever got into national rescue over 7 years -- were either under or over breed standard weights -- mostly over. So it really is just a guideline for the breed but not a requirement for the health of an individual dog whose build might not match breed standard.

    On the health end of things, keeping a cavalier in good weight and even slightly on the lean side is going to mean the dog will have considerably more likelihood of living longer. A study on labradors concluded being overweight cut on average about 2 YEARS off the dog's life and that is in a breed that doesn't have endemic heart disease like the cavalier so keeping dogs fit and in proper weight is so important. Exercise is so important too and doing fun activities like agility and flyball is fantastic! Most dogs just love these activities even if done on the most casual basis.

    One real weight concern are breeders who deliberately breed small cavaliers especially anything ridiculous like 'teacup cavaliers' which does have a considerable risk of introducing serious health problems in individual dogs.
    The CKCSC standard, and he is CKCSC registered, is 12-13 inches. I've never had him wicket measured, I just measured with a tape measure so we could have an idea for flyball what his jump height will be. He's somewhere between 12-13 inches, but probably closer to 13. I'm not worried about him being too small, he's just on the smaller side of normal really. Around here, compared to most of the cavaliers, he, and the other cavaliers who do agility where we do flyball just look scrawny (even though they are the ones who are actually the right size).

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