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    Thumbs down What would you do?

    This happens to your dog, and you don't do the obvious? Sheesh- just build a fence!

    http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/330...ollar-concerns

    And use a safe and comfortable fabric or leather collar, while you're at it...
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    o.m.g.!!! I,am actually lost for words, what is wrong with people?? I don.t even know how this collar managed to become available to pet owners, to me its inflicting pain. perhaps the pet owners should give it a try, I,am shocked. Karen,Ruby and Sadie

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    Anyone dumb enough to use this system needs to try it on themselves first!!!!!! Who in their right mind would EVER consider shocking their dog???? That poor dog and the injury went unnoticed for days?!?!?!? Personally if you own a dog and need a fence buy a fence. These products should not be on the market period.

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    I agree..I would never have one of these ( I do not like them at all !!) ..but before we pass judgement..this incident is not entirely the pet owners fault.
    They probably never imagined this device would do damage like that. We do not know how quickly this device caused this trauma either. Yes..they should of taken the collar off the dog while inside..and yes..they should of checked under the collar more frequently than they did.
    However....We have friends that live in NEW subdivisions & they are not allowed to put up ANY fence!
    They are even told what mailbox to put up....out door lighting...type of trees, etc.
    SOOOO they have no alternative but to use these electronic fences or take their dog out on a leash constantly.
    I am going to show our friends this video...but they..as I'm sure these owners... love their dog..and would never for a second want to be doing it harm.

    We are blessed in that we have lived in our home now for 27 yrs....it is an older neighborhood...w/ established trees, etc...and we have the freedom to put up the fence we want. Our entire yard is fenced in...or I seriously do not know what we would do.
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    But if you already have a dog, surely the need to keep it safe is one of the things you take into consideration when deciding to move into a new house? And if you live in an unfenced house - and aren't allowed to build a fence - perhaps you shouldn't have a dog while you live there? It's skewed thinking to buy a dog and only then start thinking about its welfare in your home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kate H View Post
    But if you already have a dog, surely the need to keep it safe is one of the things you take into consideration when deciding to move into a new house? And if you live in an unfenced house - and aren't allowed to build a fence - perhaps you shouldn't have a dog while you live there? It's skewed thinking to buy a dog and only then start thinking about its welfare in your home.

    Kate, Oliver and Aled
    Perhaps you're right. I do not like these things...so I am not advocating them...but I just doubt that most people would ever consider an electronic fence ( w/ the collar device) to cause such a traumatic injury.
    If they did...I am sure no responsible pet owner would choose to have the system installed.

    Truth is....those subdivisions where NO FENCES are part of the rules are all over here in the Midwest.
    Almost all developers that have built homes within the last 15 yrs....have rules...NOT allowing fences is a part of them. It's a bit ridiculous IMO.

    So moving & finding homes that do allow a fence?....a person would be looking into older neighborhoods like ours..and those homes are much harder to come by.

    Council members and trustee's of the HOA need to change their guidelines in these new developments.
    Less discrimination for pet owners.


    I see in this video that these people's neighbors DO have a nice fence though...so perhaps they will have their electronic one removed ASAP..and opt for a real fence instead.
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    I agree that this is an issue that needs dog owners to lobby those places that do not allow fences (though I would also argue that people are not entitled to a dog if they cannot provide a safe and appropriate environment for it --if they can't have a fence and won't put the active time into therefore walking and getting out with their dog, that they don't live in a situation appropriate to owning and giving quality time to a dog. Full stop).

    For me, the bottom line is -- WHY do people feel that even if they can't build a fence, they need an invisible fence? There are so many known problems with invisible fences including that trainers regularly see dogs with all sorts of fear aggression problems or severe timidity that have been subjected to these stupid things (like the dog in the story! Just amazes me that they aren't thinking -- doh! I electrocuted my dog! I will never put this hideous device (that can malfunction, too), back on a dog I love! Instead they think -- oh, I'll just change the level at which I electrocute my dog).

    Millions upon millions of people all over the world own dogs in places that do not have gardens and where dogs can never just be turned loose outside-- my city house for example. Like all those millions of millions of other dog owners, I just take the dogs to the park daily for a run --this is not a big deal for me or the dogs! And they get 4 walks a day (my partner has plenty of land and we have fenced an acre or so of it ourselves so dogs have plenty of room to run around when I am out there during the week -- and really, it makes little difference to them which place they are at).

    Invisible fences do absolutely nothing that a caring owner should want for their dog. They do not prevent the dog from being attacked -- indeed they are left there like sitting ducks for any passing aggressive dog, cruel adult or child, with no where to go. They do not prevent the supposedly beloved pet from being taken by thieves or worse -- cavaliers in particular are attractive to thieves, one of the easiest most friendly dogs to take and easy to sell on to puppy farmers, backyard breeders or unsuspecting families or kept to use as a breeding dog. Or to be sold as fighting dog bait. And they do not ensure that a dog won't risk the shock to get out -- and never return. Perhaps to be immediately be hit by a car as it runs out into a road in front of the house.

    Who could possibly want to risk their dog in these ways?

    Sure, not being able to put the dog outside and then do something else, means the owner has more responsibility and needs to spend more time giving their dog some quality exercise, but why do people who don't want to give their dog this kind of time daily, and have this kind of active fun, get a dog in the first place? Just sticking the dog in the garden is NOT adequate exercise or activity. Any trainer will concur that a dog would much rather spend an hour with -- WITH! -- it's owner, on a long walk or hike or playing safely and freely in a local park, than be shunted into a garden where most will just lie about anyway, not 'exercise themselves'.

    In much of Europe electric training collars are illegal -- these electric fence collars function autonomously in the same way and in the opinion of many, should also be illegal.
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    I haven't been able to afford a home with a fenced yard for several years (got a nice one in Belgium though), but having a pet is part of my life. I really enjoy spending the time with my dogs. Playing with my dogs is an opportunity to de-stress from the day, clear my head, and get fresh air; one I might not bother to take if they weren't there. But they sit home all day, and really 30 minutes to hour of decent exercise is not very much for them to ask for all the love and sweetness they give.

    It always baffles me why people get a dog just to be a lawn ornament, they really miss out on the good part of owning a pet, and the dog suffers.

    I find it hard to believe this dog was so much a part of their family though, checking a collar takes literally 2 seconds while petting your dog. And wouldn't they have to take off a battery operated collar to bathe him? I didn't see anywhere they mentioned how long the collar was on, but I suspect "quite some time".

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    Lack of education combined with human laziness.

    A few years ago we left our rottweiler with a boarding kennel and without our consent they used an electric collar on him the whole week stay. When we got home we found two injuries that looked like burn marks on his neck. The vet said it was from having the collar on the whole time and it caused the same injury as the dog in the story. Luckily it was only on for the week. We have never taken our dogs back to the facility.

    I think people just don't understand how harmful these training devices are. They are only for training purposes and should not be used without supervision and only when training. So sad for the dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soushiruiuma View Post
    I find it hard to believe this dog was so much a part of their family though, checking a collar takes literally 2 seconds while petting your dog. And wouldn't they have to take off a battery operated collar to bathe him? I didn't see anywhere they mentioned how long the collar was on, but I suspect "quite some time".
    Yeah I thought the same things this dog was not a loving member of the family, how did they not notice the wound faster. Could you imagine??? I hope they pay more attention to the dog now.

    sunshinekisses- I would have had a fit at that place. I hope they paid the vet bills as least...Personally I would have wanted to the place charged with animal cruelty. But I have very little tolerance for people "doing harm" to children or animals.

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