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    Well after Murphy's strange episode a fortnight ago, he's still not right. He had been doing fine after the Metacam injection he got then.

    But last night we put them to bed and he flipped out again. It was the same as the night in June, when he ripped his dew claw out, and very similar to his episode a fortnight ago during the day. He gets frantic, and just wants to be held. He scrapped the babygate like a dog possessed, whining, then started biting the gate. We could hear him panting all the way upstairs. When we went down he was covered in drool.

    I let him outside and he peed again, and pooped, so I thought that's all he needed. When I tried to put him back into the kitchen he just refused to budge. He was just leaning on my leg. Coaxed him into the kitchen, sent him to bed with a biscuit and went upstairs, but only lasted 15 minutes before he started again. He dug the wash basket out from the corner and was in behind it until he seen me. We ended up taking them both upstairs for half an hour, where al he did was move between Stuart and I for cuddles.

    Eventually put him back to bed again, he scrapped a little but then all went quiet. Heard him again at around 4, but he settled down again.

    Combined with his weirdness the other week of trying to climb onto me whining, I just don't know what to think. The vet thought last week his back might be playing up, hence the lunchtime behaviour. He had x-rays done before that didn't find anything, but I know that's not conclusive. We have an appointment at 6 tonight so hoping we get some answers.

    I still wondered if it was a behaviour issue, but he's had the same routine for the last 4 years, since we got Misty. I'm so confused, and just want to get to the bottom of it all.


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    I would be concerned as well. Poor baby! The drooling and the whining part would make me think its pain but its very obvious he was stressed. If he were mine I would continue to look for a medical reason for this. Especially if his whole route has been the same and he does this out of the blue.
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    I'm definitely thinking its pain related. This is a big worry too, especially if we can't find anything obvious with him. He's like a yo-yo he's so up and down.

    This time last year we were getting our referral to Glasgow to get Misty MRI scanned to confirm suspected SM. SM is now on my mind for Murphy, either that or disc problems. That's why he was x-rayed before. But he recovers so quickly after these strange episodes. My thoughts are that if he was having disc problems, he'd be more subdued for longer, and not show an interest in playing etc. I could be wrong of course never having had a poorly dog before Misty.

    We'll just have to see what the vet thinks, but I want more than an injection for him this time.


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    So sorry Murphy is having these odd sessions -- it is so frustrating when you can't pinpoint anything obvious. If it is SM or disk related, the metacam would likely help til it wears off. With a lot of disk problems, only an MRI will clearly reveal what is going on but there are xrays and then other scans that can be done first. I think you likely are dealing with pain and/or something neurological.

    Given the drooling, I'd wonder if it is at all possible he is getting into something toxic -- pain on the walls, cleaning fluid on the floor or furniture, snail/slug pellets or houseplants or garden plants that might be poisonous...? Disk and SM pain can come and go and cause odd behaviours (Leo has started a new one where he just suddenly sits ). Think of human back pain; you might not be bothered at all except when you turn a certain way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karlin View Post
    Given the drooling, I'd wonder if it is at all possible he is getting into something toxic -- pain on the walls, cleaning fluid on the floor or furniture, snail/slug pellets or houseplants or garden plants that might be poisonous...?
    I don't think so, I have to keep such a close eye out for things Misty's likely to eat, I'm constantly watching them while we're out. We don't use weed killer, ant gel, or slug repellant in the garden, as it's all paved. The house hasn't been painted lately, but it's all Dulux paint that's been used, no where is left that hasn't been painted by us. As for furniture polish, well, my house is a little dusty at the moment , and when I clean the kitchen floor I always let it dry before allowing the dogs back in, and it's not been done since last weekend anyways I really must get on top of the housework

    Off to the vets now, so will update soon.
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    Vet's of the opinion that it's a physical problem, and not just a behaviour issue. She agree's that although his symptoms are hugely different from Misty, SM is still top of the list, followed by a spinal problem.

    She's going to call Glasgow tomorrow, and stress that he needs seen as soon as possible. I just hope the insurance is as helpful. Misty needed pre-authorization for her MRI, and that took 7 weeks to come through, we heard the day before we were going. If Murphy needs in as soon as, then I doubt there will be time for pre-auth

    Not sure what happens is the insurance doesn't pre-auth the treatment, whether Glasgow will need paid from us while we're up. We don't have the funds to pay for an MRI scan without the insurance.
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    Hi Paula

    Rosie still gets problems with her discs but it comes on suddenly we could be playing ball and shes running after it then suddenly stops yelps
    and runs to me for comfort ,so of course we stop then care for her for around two weeks with no games lots of rest and small walks on a lead,
    and a Vet Visit for an overall physical .
    Then she's fine again could be 3- 6 moths before the next episode and when it happens we just manage her as before and she tells us by her,
    they all have their own quirks and sometimes its hard to figure the reason but I know you like all of us are constantly mointoring them so good
    luck and hopefully a swift decision and ending to poor Murphys problem .


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    So sorry your Murphy is having all these mystery problems. I hope the vets can get to the bottom of it all soon. Sending good wishes from far away to you and Murphy.

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    Called AXA just now. The lady was great, no mention of a pre-authorisation needed. I've to send a claim in for last night, along with a full history. The bill was only 28 so claim will be rejected. But it will be on record for when the claim comes in from Glasgow.

    Just need to wait to hear from Glasgow now.


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    If Monty's problem is CM/SM, his episodes could be pain/discomfort related to changes in air pressure, which seems to be quite common in CM/SM dogs, and even in dogs with just CM. August has been a nightmare for sudden changes in pressure - in my area next Thursday, for example, the pressure is set to go up 17 millibars in the course of the day. Even Aled, who has few CM/SM symptoms so far, is getting a bit scratchier - he scratches his head very slowly as if to say 'Something odd's happening up there but I'm not sure what!' Monty's need to either be cuddled or crawl behind things could also indicate pain.

    I do hope Glasgow can help.

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