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    Default blue eyed cavlier

    was on pinterest and saw this.

    [link removed by admin -- this breeder is notorious]

    you can see the link to hte website..there are more pics towards the end of the link.
    so unique.
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    She's adorable. I have to wonder though if her hearing is good? Blues eyes sometimes comes with a deaf gene.

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    it would be interesting to know.
    we are 99.34 % sure oliver was deaf too...he was obviously just normal.

    my personal prefrence is a pup with a lot of colour..but man oh man that one is CUTE!
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    I think that is likely photoshopped, for a start. Have never seen blue eyes that intense in any breed that normally can produce blue eye colour. Don;t believe everything that's posted on the internet!

    More seriously -- overall, there's definitely some genetic issue there in colouring -- neither the colouring nor eye-colour is normal. I'd wonder whether the dog is pure cavalier or if some breed that can get blue eyes -- some of the herding dogs and there are some smaller ones that could also introduce that dominant white. I'd geuss something has been crossed in at some point.

    There are at times, genetic health issues linked to blue eye colour as well as to certain coat colours like white and merle (except in breeds where white is the norm). I'd hope a dog like this would be neutered. Unfortunately such abnormal dogs are often then bred for by crappy breeders who then charge huge amounts for puppies that are not 'more valuable' but likely to be 'more at risk of health issues'.

    This is a useful dicussion:

    http://mysmelly.com/content/dogs/bre...-blue-eyes.htm

    I'd really think there's something like collie or Australian heeler bred in to such a dog.

    You hope they are responsible and instead will not be crossing closely related dogs to go for such a cosmetic result that might affect health.
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    Followed that link and saw who the breeder is -- someone to avoid AT ALL COSTS and I have therefore removed the link as I will not risk having anyone seriously consider a purchase from that person. Ask any reputable breeder about that person anywhere in the cavalier world and prepare for a long list of expletives about that creature.

    All I can say is: I fully stand by my concerns in the previous post about being wary when such dogs are featured on someone's website.

    And as for breeder websites: this one from the start is full of red flags even on first reading. Please never, ever take at face value what breeders say on their websites especially if they have no clear breed club affiliation or involvement (which isn't at all an endorsement but can be a pretty basic ay of eliminating many people from basic consideration, with some rare exceptions). Many people are very good at making it look like they do the right thing when they do not. Buyers should ALWAYS aks hard questions of every breeder (use our puppy buyer guideline links on the homepage), ask to see (real!) certificates, discuss their health programme and ask for evidence of it, and NEVER use as a reference the testimonials posted by breeders on their website (in my experience most who post testimonials are the ones to avoid) or believe they do one jot toards healthful breeding without confirmation by a breeder who is knowledgeable and independent. ALWAYS look for a reputable breeder who is independent and well known to be health focused to get advice on a given breeder-- in the US for example I would email Laura Lang or Anne Eckersley, in the UK, Margaret Carter or a range of current and former breeders she can recommend; in Canada, Pat Barrington (there are others too in these regions; these are just quick top-of-the-head names) to ask whether to work with a given breeder. Give them the link to a breeder's website.

    They can tell you in seconds whether the breeder gets a green light or the air raid sirens. This time it's all air raid sirens.

    This is a good guide to decoding breeder websites (that breeder's website hit so many of these red flag items that it sounded like a casino jackpot... ):

    http://www.cavaliertalk.com/forums/s...eeder-websites

    And note that the author, a reputable breeder of another breed, says THIS:

    Rare Colors/Rare Coats – A breeder intentionally breeding undesired traits is not breeding ethically. Yes, sometimes breeders will get something not in standard; it just happens, no matter how well a breeder plans, genetics are genetics recessive genes can crop up. Fuzzy Mastiffs, black and tan Labradors, dilute Shelties, white Dobermans, etc can all crop up from time to time. However, a good breeder will not treat them as something rare and special nor will they ask a significantly more amount of money for one. If you see catchwords such as "rare" raise that red flag.
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    Thank god, i,am so glad to hear you removed that link!!!!! I only got to read the first line, No! No! No! When are people going to stop interfering with the genetics and breeding of our dogs, its just not right, i was quite disgusted, this does not look good, and cavaliers were bred to have brown eyes like most dogs, except for the odd breed. It disturbs me a lot that this goes on Karen,Ruby, and Sadie x

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    I specificly didn't link to her website as to avoid any of that, I linked to pintrest because i know her link its not aloud on the board i know. i am not sure how to post images other then links or i woulda done that instead.
    I would like to say though.. Karlin, you have done an AMAZING job educating most of the people on here. the information you have provided as to what to look for and what to avoid is a fantastic resource and im sure has helped MANY who currently and past have romed these fourms. so THANKYOU for that.

    . I have no idea what kinda breeder she is because i didnt take a look around her site. I have no interest to. I have found a fantastic breeder with the help of many members here on the board. and im quite happy.
    The only thing i was interested in viewing were the photos of that puppy. (in quick glance at that one specific page..the advertizing of specific puppie litters brings red flags ..any of the breeders i contacted dont even have websites..and if htey do they dont mention if they have puppies avaliable or not. they dont need to.

    however..it did say shes not breeding THAT dog, that it is mismarked..or unique. it is also NOT for sale..not for a marked up price..not for ANY price. that one is staying with her.

    ...its not to breed standards..and no breeder or shower would touch her.. however i still think shes cute. i think its worth shareing on a cavalier board, weather shes to standard or not.. Its cavalier topic and worth a discussion if nothing else.
    I dont belive it to be photoshopped. weather there is somethign other then cavalier somewhere down the lines somewhere..or its a rare gene defect..
    if a child is born with a abnormality is it to be cursed out?

    sorry for typos..i have a fat 16 year old cat asleep on one arm
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    I got to reading around about the blue eyed Cavs, and it seems that there is a recessive gene component that shows up very rarely in Cavaliers (like an albino gene shows up in any species). There were a few google images, etc. with Cavs with one or 2 blue eyes. I imagine the bright blue eyes in the baby pic is probably the bright blue of a baby dog (or cat), that lightens up as they age. I think she's interesting, too. But I happen to like the Cardigan Corgis with the long nonshow coats, and the Chinese Cresteds that aren't naked, and brought home the weird/"deformed" fancy goldfish from the pet store just because they were different from the rest, and my 5 legged African Clawed Frog is my favorite one of the bunch too (her personality is so funny!) too, so...lol. As for breeding for non-show/unhealthy traits- no. But to come across a unique recessive trait that happens to pop up occasionally, I think it's interesting.

    Easy read link about dog eye coloring: http://www.doggenetics.co.uk/eyes.html
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    ive searched a million pictures this year..some on facebook some on google..some on pinrest or tumblr.
    and ive seen a few blue eyes. theyre out there. rare..but theyre there.

    And i think its a topic like this..that brings forth the discussion..the info that its a recessifve gene component is interesting. Cause i din't know that.. and maybe a few others didn't either.
    thats what the site was saying..she had bright blue eyes when she was a pup..it ligtened to a crystal blue as she grew older.

    Awe you have a frog? I love frogs. Id love to see a pic of her! they scare me..but i love them (haha if that makes sence) i have a bog down by my house..and took my camera down every day for weeks before i found one later into the night.. took a few pics..then it moved and i jumped ..end of that for me
    Oliver and Max and Meeko man, i will meet you at the Rainbow bridge. I love you all. Miss you more then you'll ever know.
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    Here ya go! We have 3 frogs now- we ended up with a bunch of tadpoles (we were only supposed to have 2!) and rehomed the others. Here's a link to the pics (I posted in the other pets section ): http://www.cavaliertalk.com/forums/s...622#post425622

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