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    So I have been doing some "window shopping" for a breeder. Honestly, we would not be ready to have a puppy for another year or longer. I have found a few I would be willing to work with....thanks to some helpful contacts given to me by members and doing my own research. My family could take in a rescue now tho so I have been checking out those groups a lot too. However, its going to be a VERY special adult cavalier to come live in my house for a number of reasons....Mr. Monster being one of them

    I have found this "foster program" on several sites. So I feel I can ask in this open fourm....what is the deal? Here's the common idea of how these programs work. The breeder gives you a female to raise, when the girl is "mature" enough you bring the dog back to the breeder to be bred then she has puppies and comes back home. After the female is "finished being bred" she will be spay and given to you free of charge. Each breeder gave a slightly different description of their program but that's pretty much it in a nutshell. I know breeders use stud dogs, where a female come to visit the stud's home then returns home hopefully pregnant. However, this female "foster" thing just seems weird to me. On one hand I it feels like the breeder has just found another money making tool, but on another if the breeder was following MVD and/or SM protocols and waiting until 2.5 years to mate it makes some sense, but who would be responsible for getting the MRI, cardio cert, the eye's checked etc. and what if she did not pass???? And what if something went wrong????? I mean I would be worried sick if MY baby was having puppies and going thur the whole giving birth thing without me....her Mommy there to comfort her if nothing else. Am I just being a drama queen???? Is this a good idea or just another money making way to USE these females???

    Personally, I don't think I would EVER do this even if the breeder was doing ALL the testing...there are just too many what if's to put my heart into a dog I had little to no say in....well she would legally BELONG to the breeder. I was just wondering what ya'll thought? I honestly think a truly good breeder who never want her breeding dogs away from home either.
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    It sounds like they are outsourcing caring for their breeding females. It saves time, effort and money for the breeder, and allows them to only think of the dogs as puppy making machines.

    On the other hand, the dogs are in loving homes, instead of puppy mills.

    I don't know, it's clearly better for the dogs, but I'm not sure I'd want anything to do with this type of breeder.

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    I haven't personally come across this, but I suppose some breeders could see this as a way of giving a bitch some home life while also having her available to carry on their breeding programme - and this might not necessarily mean they are a purely commercial breeder. If you keep all your Cavaliers in the house and give them homes for life, it is quite easy to find yourself with a house full of pensioners, with no space to run on a promising puppy or a couple of younger bitches for breeding. Rather than rehome your oldies, it could be easier to come to this sort of arrangement so that the bitch has a happy home but the breeder can still have an occasional litter. Those are the sort of questions I would want to ask - why are you doing it? How often would you expect to breed from the bitch? At what age would you stop breeding from her? In other words, are you following breed guidelines or simply increasing your number of brood bitch machines? Unfortunately, some people could see this as a cheap way of getting a dog from a breeder who sees it as a cheap way of getting puppies - which on both sides doesn't augur well for the poor bitch.

    Kate, Oliver and Aled

    PS A longstanding alternative arrangement is what is called 'breeding terms', when the breeder sells a bitch at a reduced price in return for, say, first choice of a puppy from the bitch's first litter. But this is usually a relationship between breeders, since it puts the onus for coping with a litter on the buyer rather than the breeder, which might not be possible for a pet owner.
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    This approach works for some breeders but have seen from discussions that many also would never consider this as it is a pretty big risk to take on a home you may know nothing about. Also the owners can find they didn't fully understand their dog would disappear for months while being bred and having the litter, several times during its life. I cannot imagine sending my own dog away for months.

    Personally I could not imagine doing this as a breeder, unless I knew the home extremely well, and had everything on a formal contract. It does raise the issue of how much a breeder could really know about a dog they intend to breed if it is not even under their care. And if they need to farm out dogs, maybe they are breeding too many? Also -- who does the health tests and when?

    Agree that the setup of being in a pet home might be a lot better for the dog.
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    I have heard a lot about this short of pet/breeding scheme and know there is at least one "good" breeders in this area who do this. They probably are indeed good breeders (from what I know of them, they do all the testing, etc.), but I could never bring a female home as a pet and have to let he go back to the breeder to have puppies. And I don't think these breeders charge any less for these dogs despite all the risks you take as an owner when you subject your dog to having a litter.
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    In Norway this type of "fosterhome" is far more usual. Most of the breeders are "good" breeders doing all the healthtesting and having a good contract with the fosterparents. I have choosen to have a boy in a fosterhome, because then I'll only visit them for mating, and borrowing him a couple days a year to show. I feel that's better for both dog and fosterparents. And the fosterparents is someone I know, and meet often in other occasions. There are differences in all the breeders contracts, but I don't charge anything for the dog, and I pay for breeding-and life insurance, and of course all the health testing.

    But I don't feel its humane to do this with bitches, think of all the stress these bitches have to go thru "moving" to another home for a while, suddenly living together with lots of other dogs (usually). I think the pregnancy and having puppies must be stressful enough.

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