22nd October 2013, 06:45 AM
Adding a new cavalier to our clan
Hi ..Just joined the site and am enjoying all the post . I have a 8 year old tri boy Winston and a 9 year old blen girl Lily ,we decided to add a puppy to our group we have had him about a month hes 15 and half weeks blen boy Henry . Adorable as can be but my sweet loving adult dogs wont pay any attention to him at all,they still adore us. They aren't mean just not interested. I am thinking of getting another puppy so Henry has someone to play with and grow old with. I'm wondering if any of you have had the same problem? I feel so very lucky because I haven't had one health problem with any of my dogs ,I have bought them all from the same breeder in California and now appreciate her even more. Hoping that my good health run keeps going with my new pups. Thanxs so much for any replies
22nd October 2013, 11:11 AM
Hi and welcome to you and your new blenheim friend.
What you are seeing is actually very typical no matter the age of the adults! I think you need to give them more time. Many older dogs do not care too much for puppies and at the ages your seniors are at, they may not be much interested in playing anyway. Most likely over the coming weeks to months as the pup gets older, they will be far more friendly and playful together.
I'd highly recommend downloading Dr Ian Dunbar's free book on puppies, After You Get Your Puppy, at www.dogstardaily.com/free-downloads as it is very helpful on managing a pup.
I would not get another puppy right now. For most people, having two together is not only difficult but makes for very difficult and slow training for everything from housetraining to obedience. Also trainers advise that each puppy must then be given equal and separate time every day -- not just 5 minutes but separate training, walk and activity times. Two puppies can become terribly dependent on each other which makes things difficult when they do need to be separated. Good breeders will generally not sell two puppies together or at least not without knowing a home can manage the separate but equal training.
Puppies really deserve having individual time put into them for the first year to 18 months of their lives. When the dog is around that age, is the best time to consider adding a puppy. Good breeders generally recommend at least 12-18 months for the youngest dog in the house, before adding a second.
Cost may be another issue to consider. Given the age of your older dogs and that almost every cavalier does get heart disease, another consideration would be that two older dogs that might need medications and some extra time and care and also a gentler environment. Most cavaliers will start to show heart murmurs by age 7+ so it is just one aspect to keep in consideration.
Finally -- if your older dogs are not excited about one puppy, having two would be likely to be at best, an unhappy doubling of what they don't like and a difficult adjustment, and at worst, very stressful for them at a time when they are the ones who have given you many years of happiness and devotion to your family . I'd let them adjust to one, wait and see what the next year brings, and if you still feel it would be right to add another dog, then do so when the new blenheim puppy is 12-18 months old. A young cavalier puppy will far more appreciate time with you than another puppy and will be a better rounded and better trained adult.
Obedience classes, walks, visits to friends with dogs, dog parks, puppy socialising classes etc will all give lots and lots of opportunities for playtime that are far more valuable than having two resident dogs interact with a puppy, as well!
It is always great to find a breeder who is properly cardiologist testing and MRIing their breeding dogs for syringomyelia as well as testing for other important health issues (eyes, hips, EFS). When proper testing is done the chance of health problems drops or will be delayed and generally less severe.
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23rd October 2013, 05:25 AM
Thanxs for your input and quick response . Glad to know it's not normal for seniors to act this way. I was very surprised because they are so friendly to everyone but I really don't take them around other dogs, they are more than happy in their environment at home at this stage of the game . When I got Lily and Winston it was within 6 months of each other and they bonded right away and it has always been so great that they have each other when we aren't home. We have a dog door and nice yard but they both act more like hamster they only go outside to potty. They sure come from the royal line !!!! So since Henry is the odd man out and such a huge age difference I thought someone more his age might be good for him in the future and ur right the puppy training is exhausting even though I'm a stay at home mom with 4 teenage kids . I would hate for the puppy not to bond with us that would be my biggest concern.
25th January 2014, 07:56 PM
Hi karlin. I can't find how to start a new thread so I'm just replying to this old post ,I haven't been on in awhile and forgot how did it ! I wanted to tell you that you were right ,the 2 puppies at once has been a huge commitment and kinda a mistake . I went back and forth and decided against it than took Henry back to breeder for shots and let this tri baby girl though all my reasoning to the wind with help of my sons begging . Everything you said was so accurate the 2 puppies have just irrated Winston more and he's kinda grumpy and to himself at times. Lily seems to like the puppies more now that we have 2 and they are adorable together . Henry has turned into a calm well mannered puppy which is surprising for only being 6 months but velvet is a spunky fearless puppy who has a mind of her own. Since I'm a stay at home mom and have had cavs for years I could handle it better than others who don't have as much time but I find myself feeling guilty that I don't have as much time one on one and of course both puppies want me and won't bond with the other 5 people in my family !!! Not to mention velvet is a nightmare when it comes to potty training even though I have a doggy door and the other 3 use it all the time ! I'm one who can admit when she's made a mistake so I had to confess to you Going to download Ian Dunbar book for help and search cavtalk for support. This website is so great. Thank u for starting it and all u do !!!
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