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    Default Heart murmur and dental -help!

    Hi, I havenít posted in a long time but I really need advice.
    My eight year old Tri George was at the vets tonight. His teeth are really bad, Iíve been trying toothpaste and brushing but feared they were past that.
    The vet has said he needs a dental, but has also diagnosed him with a Grade 3, possibly 4 heart murmur.
    He has recommended the dental and as heíll be under anyway, a chest x-ray as well to see how enlarged the heart is. Heís also advised me to look up the EPIC research.
    Aside from the obvious concerns about anaesthetic and Georgeís age, he also had major spinal surgery four years ago when he lost the use of his back legs (degenerate disc disease). The vet has said that they would take the utmost care and not flip him over when under but move him gently (as they do on hospital shows and they have a few people rolling a patient).
    What do I do? If he doesnít have a dental his teeth will fall out and the bacteria affects the heart. What will they do about the murmur and of course he could not come round. I just want George to have the happiest life he can, he deserves it so much after having to learn to walk again and everything he went through.
    What would you do in this situation? Any thoughts gratefully recieved.

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    Madison is 15 and has a grade 3/4 murmur and had a teeth cleaning about 6 months ago. She handled the anesthesia beautifully. Although she is deaf, sleeps most of the day and has some type of neurologic condition (head bobbing and rear-end collapsing) she still has her moments when she seems like a young dog - she still runs around the yard with Oz our 11 year old, jumps unassisted onto furniture, and goes up and down stairs with ease! They gave her the lightest anesthestic possible and monitored for discomfort, as well as the murmur. If you trust your vet, I would go ahead with the dental if George is otherwise in good health, if all his pre-dental labs come back fine. Good luck!
    Bev
    Madison (ruby, born 9/2003), and Oz (tri-color, born 7/2007)
    In loving memory: Oliver (blenheim) 2001-2015; Riley (black & tan) 2002-2017

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    Thank you for your reply. Itís such a horrible decision to make, the vet said that he has had a dog with spinal problems come round and not be able to walk as they hadnít realised and hadnít taken care moving him. However it is on Georgeís record to handle carefully. Itís very difficult as he seems fine in himself. I knew his teeth werenít great but he seems absolutely fine otherwise, I never would have suspected he had a heart murmur, although I know most Cavaliers do. The diagnosis of a heart murmur was through listening to his chest, he needs to do a chest x-ray to tell how enlarged the heart is, but I donít know what they would do after that, is it medication?
    Iíve only just moved here so the vets are new to me. They seem good.

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    My blenheim also had degenerative disc disease - first surgery was very successful, second surgery at age 11 left him pain-free but unable to use his hind legs. In the house he scooted around wherever he needed to go by pulling with his front legs. Outside he used a wheel cart for walks, when playing in the yard with my other dogs, was able to void and defecate without problems and was even able to use it in the snow! He used it for 3+ years until he just became too weak in his front legs and couldn't move any more. He lived to be 14+ years old. He did not have a heart murmur though. Madison, my ruby, just started on Vetmedin for her murmur because her heart was enlarged even further on her latest echo. Since she is 15+ years already, I'm hoping she doesn't progress too much further into CHF.
    Bev
    Madison (ruby, born 9/2003), and Oz (tri-color, born 7/2007)
    In loving memory: Oliver (blenheim) 2001-2015; Riley (black & tan) 2002-2017

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